From ‘liquid biopsies’ to precision medicine, these five developments will change cancer care in the next decade. Learn more.

Reply
Treasured Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
233
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

233 Views
Message 11 of 25

On the Democratic side, we have a deep bench of educated, experienced, and successful leaders of different backgrounds, races, and cultures competing to lead the nation.  On the Republican side, we have one old, white, racist who could not succeed at being a snowflake, whose high point of  resume was reality show star, and can barely read.

 

I like the Democratic side better. 

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
233
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
262
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

262 Views
Message 12 of 25

@Panjandrum wrote:

Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

 

Lol I get it, the big deal this election cycle is to use the word "socialist" at every opportunity, but why go to all that trouble? The people who are hardcore Trumpers don't know what socialism means (and can't be bothered to find out), and the rest of us just laugh at the nuttiness. I suppose that's all that's left, seeing that Trump doesn't have a record of accomplishments to run on.


Not only will the Trumpettes not bother to find out what socialism means, they now cannot be bothered to understand the difference between saying a thing and doing a thing - the reason they can claim donny Bonespurs did something positive.

 

The GOP has devolved into a gaggle of cryptonazis seeking to ignite some wierd "avolkisch" to unite them spiritually with Ike and conjur phantoms of the past that distort the reality of Nixon, Reagan, jrbush and Gutless Don Boneslurs.

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
262
Views
Treasured Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
263
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

263 Views
Message 13 of 25

Roosevelt was called a socialist and a communist.

 

The president was accused of being "a socialist, not a Democrat."

His plan was described as "undisguised state socialism."

 

One critic, who controlled some powerful media outlets, suggested that communists had infiltrated the president's administration.

 

Those are some of the attacks that Franklin Delano Roosevelt faced in the 1930s:

 

• "Roosevelt is a socialist, not a Democrat," declared Republican Rep. Robert Rich of Pennsylvania during a debate on the House floor on July 23, 1935. That remark came after Republicans hinted they were considering a move to impeach Roosevelt, according to the New York Times .

• "The New Deal is now undisguised state socialism, declared Senator Simeon D. Fess (R-Ohio) today as he pictured President Roosevelt as the New Deal's leading socialist," reported the Chicago Daily Tribune on Aug. 7, 1934. "The president's recent statements," Fess said, "remove any doubt of his policy of state socialism, which necessitates increased activities of the government in either ownership or operation of industry, or both."

• "The Russian newspapers during the last election [1932] published the photograph of Franklin D. Roosevelt over the caption, 'The first communistic President of the United States,'" said Sen. Thomas Schall, a Republican from Minnesota. "Evidently the Russian newspapers had knowledge concerning the ultimate intent of the President, which had been carefully withheld from the voters in this country. In fact, the voters of the United States were meticulously misled as to such intentions." .

 

And then there's FDR being called a socialist by William Randolph Hearst.

Hearst, a newspaper mogul  especially hated Roosevelt's plan to increase taxes on the wealthy, and his papers routinely referred to the New Deal as the Raw Deal.

By 1936, when Roosevelt was running for re-election, Hearst decided to attack FDR with all the power of the press he could muster.

Historian Ben Procter summarized this moment in history in his book William Randolph Hearst: The Later Years, 1911-1951 :

"On September 6, Hearst newspapers began a prolonged assault on the administration. The New York American published a front-page editorial titled, 'The Radical Brand on the New Deal.' It charged that radical and communist leaders had already given their approval to support Roosevelt against Landon.

During the next two weeks Hearst editors trumpeted these recurring themes: that communists had infiltrated the New Deal; that communism was un-American and undemocratic; that 'America can only judge Mr. Roosevelt and his administration by the strange silence that has prevailed in official quarters.'"

 

Hearst's efforts were for naught. Roosevelt won the 1936 election in a landslide, while the Hearst newspaper chain slid into bankruptcy.

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
263
Views
Trusted Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
265
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

265 Views
Message 14 of 25

jimc91:

 

The Democratic debates feature a cadre of Potemkin socialists parading on a platform of socialist dreams—sounding grand, but lacking in reality or broad political support.

 

 

Don't be too sure of that. Lol

 

 

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-mate...

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
265
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
280
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

280 Views
Message 15 of 25
The Trump party is so hard right, that ANYTHING to their left is now called socialism/communism.
Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
280
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
307
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

307 Views
Message 16 of 25

Why repubs are using socialist, even though incorrectly, is to try to equate socialism to communism, which controls everything, money and thought...the fall point with this strategy, for those that think for themselves, communism is a front for dictatorships, who live very well, stifle freedom of speech, steal from the country to pad their fortunes, control voting, control the press, are sociopaths, 

and do not care about the citizenry...sound like anyone we know?

So, in essence, repubs can call others whatever they want, but they are already there...they are supporting a dictator who supports other dictators!

No mystery here, they have already bypassed socialism and communism. 

Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
307
Views
Valued Social Butterfly
2
Kudos
307
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

307 Views
Message 17 of 25

@jimc91 wrote:

 

The Democratic debates feature a cadre of Potemkin socialists parading on a platform of socialist dreams—sounding grand, but lacking in reality or broad political support.
 
 

It is understandable if viewers of the first Democratic presidential primary debates came away with the impression that the party had gone crazy. But the spectacle of the debates is probably more a story of Democratic elites widening a schism within their own party.

 

Politico’s John Harris observes that “[m]any of these candidates are trying to sound more extreme than they really are,” a marked change from election cycles over the past 25 years. This is not entirely true. Some of the Democratic extremism, such as on abortion, is very much where the candidates really are. But it is true enough to take the argument seriously.

 

Harris adds: “The shift in sensibility, from hiding to exaggerating those radical bona fides, shines a light on a more profound change: This cadre of Democrats believes the ideological tides, within the party and the country more broadly, have shifted leftward. And in this environment, with candidates desperate for attention and activist support, it is no longer safe to play it safe.”

 

The 2020 field certainly is desperate, but left-wing activists are not particularly representative of rank-and-file Democrats, let alone the country.

 

The latest survey from the neoliberal Third Way group reports that by a 63-32 percent margin, Democratic primary voters want the candidate with the best chance of beating President Trump over one who matches their policy preferences. This sentiment is held by 65 percent of blacks, 64 percent of whites, and 62 percent of Latinos. Similarly, 67 percent want a candidate who can appeal to Trump voters over the 25 percent who want a candidate who moves left to energize progressives. Indeed, 65 percent of liberals want a candidate with broader appeal.

 

A poll from Crooked Media—the Pod Save America folks—polled Democratic voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. They found a 51-49 split between those who want a candidate who can reach Trump voters and one who excites the left. But a related question echoed the Third Way results:

 

QUESTION: Which kind of candidate would you prefer to oppose Donald Trump in November 2020?

 

More liberal than Obama 28%
Less liberal than Obama 7%
About the same as Obama 65%

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) June 25, 2019

 

 

Apparently, there is also a Fox News pollnot yet published that suggests most of the Democratic candidates are competing for this same 25-30 percent of the party.

 

Over the past few months, the pretend socialists lashed themselves to an unpopular platform from which it will be difficult to free themselves. Medicare for All is the most prominent example. The brand name polls well, but a new Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation poll indicates 68 percent of Democrats wrongly think people with employer-sponsored insurance would be able to keep their current coverage.

 

The lefty Data For Progress group has polled Democrats about the difference between single payer and the “public option” to buy into Medicare. Neither gets majority support, but a buy-in is above water (43-37), while single payer is under water (48-45). Worse for 2020 Democrats, a buy-in attracts 56 percent of Hillary Clinton voters, while single payer tops out at only 31 percent support.

 

California and Vermont have both tried and failed to pass single-payer schemes. Sen. Elizabeth Warren used the first debate night to flip her position to single-payer, claiming that any failure was simply the result of not fighting hard enough. Third Way neoliberals (and probably others) had been gravitating toward supporting Warrenas a backstop to Joe Biden and alternative to Bernie Sanders, in large part because she had opposed single-payer. Now they will have to think again.

 

The “Green New Deal” was the other big-ticket item embraced by 2020’s socialists and faux socialists earlier this year. The phrase was not used once in the first Democratic debate. To the contrary, the discussion of climate change opened with a question from NBC’s Chuck Todd noting that carbon taxes failed on a referendum in Washington state, sparked the “yellow-jacket” protests in France, and produced a surprise election victory for conservatives in Australia (he might have added failed 2018 ballot measures to increase renewable energy in Arizona and to limit fracking in Colorado).

 

This retreat from central planning should be no surprise: The Green New Deal resolution got no votes on the Senate floor; Democratic leadership will not bring it to the floor of the House. The efforts to translate the resolution into policy have run into problems with intraparty politics and the laws of science.

 

On immigration, the 2020 field has sounded a similar retreat from their past calls to “Abolish ICE,” as the mediasphere has switched from denying there is a crisis at our southern border to blaming President Trump for it. Democratic candidates spent much of the debate discussion on immigration decrying the conditions at migrant camps while avoiding stating their de facto “catch-and-release” position. It seems unlikely that Trump will let the eventual nominee get away with that.

 

Indeed, the candidates’ leftward lurch is doubly baffling because it plays directly into the GOP’s strategy for 2020. President Trump’s 2019 State of the Union Addressmade a point of pivoting from the socialist collapse in Venezuela to asserting that: “Here in the United States, we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country… Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.”

 

Republican operatives have bragged to The New York Times that their 2020 strategy is to paint Democrats as socialists and extremists on infanticide, Israel, and immigration. These attacks have already begun appearing is statements from Sen. Joni Ernst and direct mail solicitations from figures like former South Carolina governor and U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley.

 

So why are most Democratic candidates persisting in the folly of competing over one-quarter of their voters? They, and their enablers in the establishment media, are largely trapped in the progressive bubble manifesting on social media. The Third Way survey indicates 67 percent of primary voters want a candidate who can unite a broad range of voters, but only 47 percent of the hyper-engaged do. While only a quarter of primary voters think the party should move left, 44 percent of the hyper-engaged do. Only 29 percent of primary voters want to abolish ICE, but 64 percent of the hyper-engaged do.

 

The hyper-engaged represent the 12 percent of Democratic primary voters who post daily on Twitter, where Democratic elites and establishment journalists form their view of the party and the election. It happens despite The New York Times publishing a front-page story explaining that only a quarter of Democrats are progressive ideologues, but they outnumber more moderate, more diverse and less educated Democrats by a 2-1 margin on Twitter.

 

Russia invented the “Potemkin village”—phony construction meant to deceive visitors into thinking conditions were better than they really were. The Democratic debates feature a cadre of Potemkin Socialists parading on a platform of socialist dreams—sounding grand, but lacking in reality or broad political support.

 

The media enabling this pageant has effectively locked hands with these fakers, not unlike Thelma and Louise driving toward the edge of the cliff. The main difference is that when Thelma and Louise drove off the cliff, it was not because they were too busy staring at Twitter on their phones.

 

BY:  Warren Henry


Here we go again use a far right source and writer to try and make all think this is what took place. Look at the nonsense that has come from this writer in his other attempts at writing. One thing for sure truth will never be found. Now why would the far right be watching the Dems debate at all. They only have interest in seeing Dictator Trump take full power, and follow their leaders on what to do, and say so that happens. We know they do not understand any of this when they hear about programs that will make their lives better, and oppose them. Sad. The far right enablers have not a clue on what Socialism is. They have been living in what they call Socialism all their lives. They get their medical needs by it, they bought their house by it, they are on the computer due to it, they use a mobile phone due to it, they drive their car by it, they buy their food by it. Fact is there is little they do that does not come from what they describe as Socialism. Once again the experts proved correct about them.

Report Inappropriate Content
2
Kudos
307
Views
Trusted Social Butterfly
1
Kudos
306
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

306 Views
Message 18 of 25

Controlled42010:   I find it quite odd that some find the word's'  DEMOCRATIC socialism so threatening as they follow a man who will side with Russian and North Korea's leaders?! 

 

 

Exactly. You'll never get a satisfactory answer to that because it would have to be understood to do so.

Report Inappropriate Content
1
Kudos
306
Views
Recognized Social Butterfly
5
Kudos
331
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

331 Views
Message 19 of 25

I find it quite odd that some find the word's'  DEMOCRATIC socialism so threatening as they follow a man who will side with Russian and North Korea's leaders?! They want us to become such an Isolationist country with leadership that lies and is corrupt and expect some to believe they have an understanding of today's environment???  I completely understand what the road to dictatorship is looking like.

Report Inappropriate Content
5
Kudos
331
Views
Highlighted
Gold Conversationalist
5
Kudos
337
Views

Re: Democratic Debates Are A Pageant Of Potemkin Socialism

337 Views
Message 20 of 25

Good morning to all-

First, each Democrat is trying to gain a foothold on the party's attention and to show that she/he is the one who can lead the party to victory.  That is an almost impossible task given the current arragement of candidates.

Next, not even Bernie who claims to be a socilaist is a true socialist. that's just a scare word the repubs use to try and scare uneducated voters who heard something about socialism way back when they were sleeping in class at school.

Finally, any one of these candidates will be a great, great, undescribably great improvement on the thief, con man, molester, and liar who occupies the white House at this time.

Just let the process run, and then go and vaote the garbage out in 2020.

 

good day to all- Ed

 

Report Inappropriate Content
5
Kudos
337
Views
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
Users
Announcements

Open Enrollment: Oct 15-Dec 7, 2019 Find resources to help you decide on the best healthcare insurance plans for you during Open Enrollment season

Top Authors