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Honored Social Butterfly

Democracy is hard work

You can treat politics like it is something important, or, you can treat it like rooting for a sports team. If the later, you don't have to worry about facts, or the effect of your rooting (voting), it is just fun to support the home team. It doesn't matter if they kneel or win or whatever, you just root for them.

 

If you think politics is important, then you have some obligations. You must inform yourself, you must think about the issues, you must take the trouble to vote, If you don't do these things, you are not a good citizen.

 

If you sat out the last election, or you voted for a protest candidate, or you were uninformed when you voted, or if you refused to do your own thinking about the issues, then you must share the blame for the current state of affairs.

 

This year, you will have another chance to vote. You can vote for those congress persons who blindly supported their party, or you can vote for those who accepted the responsibility of supporting a democracy.

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 OUR Senior's and Disabled would be so much better off already , If only Bernie had won that primary. 

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@mandm84 wrote:

 OUR Senior's and Disabled would be so much better off already , If only Bernie had won that primary. 


I am not criticising the man, but I think you are mistaken. I do not see how a Jewish socialist could win a presidential election in a country that gave almost half their votes to Trump.

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@xrepub— I was very young when President Kennedy was elected president – – I was six. But, I still remember people questioning whether someone of the Roman Catholic faith could be elected or be a good president. 

 

Bernie would have been the Democratic candidate had  it not been for the inappropriate and irresponsible manipulations of Deborah Wasserman Schultz.   And, personally, I think he would’ve won by a landslide. 

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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@phyllisc6781 wrote:

@xrepub— I was very young when President Kennedy was elected president – – I was six. But, I still remember people questioning whether someone of the Roman Catholic faith could be elected or be a good president. 

 

Bernie would have been the Democratic candidate had  it not been for the inappropriate and irresponsible manipulations of Deborah Wasserman Schultz.   And, personally, I think he would’ve won by a landslide. 

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


Obviously, no one has the crystal ball nor tarot cards to know but who knows what 2020 might reveal.

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Bernie vs Trump -- Real Clear Politics (2 sets of polls)...

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.ht...

 

Hillary vs Trump -- Real Clear Politics...

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.ht...

 

Bernie was clearly the favorite among the general population.

 

Bernie - America's most popular member of Congress according to polls. 

 

 

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@phyllisc6781 wrote:

@xrepub— I was very young when President Kennedy was elected president – – I was six. But, I still remember people questioning whether someone of the Roman Catholic faith could be elected or be a good president. 

 

Bernie would have been the Democratic candidate had  it not been for the inappropriate and irresponsible manipulations of Deborah Wasserman Schultz.   And, personally, I think he would’ve won by a landslide. 

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


I don't like disagreeing with you, and fortunately, I don't have to do it often.

I do not believe that Bernie (and I respect him) would have won the nomination in any case, and I think he would have lost the general election in a landslide. If Biden had run, he would have won the general easily. He was the only Dem that could have run a decent campaign.

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I don't like disagreeing with you, and fortunately, I don't have to do it often.

I do not believe that Bernie (and I respect him) would have won the nomination in any case, and I think he would have lost the general election in a landslide.

 

Not according to all these polls....

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.ht...

 

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TY, those polls you present are impressive evidence for your case.

 

I refer you to

 http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls...

 

for counter arguments, but your case is not weak.

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The polls make a good case says Politifact. Numbers are numbers.

 

But then, Politifact moves on to opinion -- "What if...."

 

Bernie's numbers started out rather weak early in the year of 2016. As he gained national recognition, his poll numbers climbed higher, as voters knew him better and saw where he stands on the issues. Bernie never hid from his views. He stated from day one that he was running as a Democratic Socialist. His poll numbers continued to climb.

 

Liberty University was founded by the late televangelist Jerry Falwell. It is one of the most conservative Evangelical schools in the United States and has been a frequent stop for many Republican candidates.
Bernie Sanders became the first Democratic presidential candidate ever to make a stop at Liberty University’s weekly convocations.

 

An Independent himself,  Bernie's real strength was winning over independents which is needed to win general elections. In a year of the electorate rejecting staus quo candidates (refer to Jeb) the country was primed for Bernie. Instead, they took a chance and accepted Trump.

 

bernie socialist.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

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@xrepub—LOL! I think Biden would have won too. One wonders if Beau hadn’t died what forward strides our country would have made in this last year, rather than the slide backward it has taken under trump.

 

Back to the Sanders thing, we must agree to disagree! No harm, no foul! 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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"So Godspeed to the Mueller investigation, but let him worry about that. The rest of us — Democrats, independents, patriotic Republicans — should work toward the November election. Our duty is to elect a Congress that will bring this runaway train under control."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-first-year-was-even-worse-than-feared/2017/12/25/b099...

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@xrepub wrote:

"So Godspeed to the Mueller investigation, but let him worry about that. The rest of us — Democrats, independents, patriotic Republicans — should work toward the November election. Our duty is to elect a Congress that will bring this runaway train under control."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-first-year-was-even-worse-than-feared/2017/12/25/b099...


Allow me to offer a BIG AMEN! to that. Please everyone with a brain - remember to VOTE! There's more of us than there are Trumpettes...maybe even in Alabama.

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Thank You Phyllis. Don't you wish everyone could tell the difference between fact and fiction?

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Thank You Phyllis. Don't you wish everyone could tell the difference between fact and fiction?


The world wishes trump could...

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IF you have a well educated and accurately informed electorate, Democracy is EASY.

 

That's why Republicans have been waging War against Education and Truth for the past 50 years - they cannot survive in a "Democracy". They need a voter suppressed Gerrymander to succeed. That's what they've been building since Nixon launched the Southern Strategy back in 1967 and why every GOPerLord since has courted (and won) the lunitic fringe for their mindless support.

 

Der Trumper was elected with 26% of registered voters, specifically around 76,000 loons driven to the polls in 4 States by 200,000 craftily designed personal anti-Hillary ads placed on social media sites in the weeks before the election by Russian operatives.

 

All that was needed to stop him was for enough rational people who care about Americas real future to show up in those 4 swing states. But instead too many stayed home or wrote in Bernie because they felt slighted that their guy didn't get the nomination or because they'd bought the lie that there was no difference between the two major parties - just like the 74,000 Floridians who voted for Nader in 2000 and gave us jrbuish who gave us the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression (also caused by Republican tax cuts and deregulation) AND two endless Wars.

 

And so those high minded folks gave us Der Trumper - Thanks Hillary Haters.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

IF you have a well educated and accurately informed electorate, Democracy is EASY.

If Trump were intelligent, we would not have to worry about his stupidity

If Trump were sane, we would not have to worry about his lack of rationality.

 

That's why Republicans have been waging War against Education and Truth for the past 50 years - they cannot survive in a "Democracy". They need a voter suppressed Gerrymander to succeed. That's what they've been building since Nixon launched the Southern Strategy back in 1967 and why every GOPerLord since has courted (and won) the lunitic fringe for their mindless support.

 

Der Trumper was elected with 26% of registered voters, specifically around 76,000 loons driven to the polls in 4 States by 200,000 craftily designed personal anti-Hillary ads placed on social media sites in the weeks before the election by Russian operatives.

 

All that was needed to stop him was for enough rational people who care about Americas real future to show up in those 4 swing states. But instead too many stayed home or wrote in Bernie because they felt slighted that their guy didn't get the nomination or because they'd bought the lie that there was no difference between the two major parties - just like the 74,000 Floridians who voted for Nader in 2000 and gave us jrbuish who gave us the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression (also caused by Republican tax cuts and deregulation) AND two endless Wars.

 

And so those high minded folks gave us Der Trumper - Thanks Hillary Haters.


 

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@xrepub wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

AND two endless Wars.

 

Are you including Obama's "good war"?

 

 


 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@xrepub wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

AND two endless Wars.

 

Are you including Obama's "good war"?

 

 

Out here in the real world, conservative/republican falsehoods and fairy tales are not recognized as reality.

 

44>dolt45
Honored Social Butterfly

IF you have a well educated and accurately informed electorate, Democracy is EASY.

 

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Democracy within the Democratic Party is not easy as long as voters feel the system is rigged: WikiLeaks DNC revelations, Donna Brazile's revelations, and....Democratic Party Super Delegates!

 

Hillary's running mate Tim Kaine said in November, 2017: "I have long believed there should be no superdelegates. These positions are given undue influence in the popular nominating contest and make the process less democratic.”


Bernie Sanders had pressed for the complete elimination of superdelegates.

 

A look back at some examples:

 

In the 2016 Iowa Primary, Bernie and Hillary battled for a statistical tie, with just a quarter-percent of the vote between Hillary and Bernie. So, naturally, the delegates from Iowa are divided fairly.

Bernie gets 21 delegates and Hillary gets... 29?


Next, in New Hampshire, Bernie demolishes Hillary in a 22-point landslide victory. So, naturally, the delegates from New Hampshire are divided fairly.

Bernie gets 15 delegates and Hillary gets... 15?


What is this strange world where a Bernie tie is an 8-delegate loss and a Bernie landslide is a tie?


That’s when our intrepid Millennials start Googling and learn all about Democratic Superdelegates!


What they learn is that there are 4,763 delegates who pick the Democratic nominee for president. But roughly 15 percent of them are Superdelegates (712 to be exact) who are the Democratic elected officials and party bigwigs. Regular delegates are split according to popular vote, but Superdelegates can vote for anybody they wish (that’s their super power).
Hillary, being the Queen Democratic Bigwig, amassed quite a collection of these other bigwigs pledging to vote for her (355 to be exact).

With some quick Excel work, Millennials figure out that Hillary already had 14.9 percent of the votes she needed to get the nomination before the first caucus was ever tallied in Iowa.


Then the millenials plug in a few more formulas and learn that in New Hampshire, it took convincing 60,631 voters to choose Bernie to match the choice of Gov. Maggie Hassan, Rep. Ann Kuster, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, and three Democratic National Committee cronies for Hillary.


In other words, one vote from these one-percenters for the Wall Street candidate is worth 10,105 votes from the 99-percenters for the Democratic Socialist candidate.

Unfortunately, one-man-one-vote only applies to actual federal elections, not party primary processes.


The more the Millennials learn about this, the more convinced they become that the system is rigged and the current crop of establishment Democrats want to keep it that way.


The more the Millennials learn, the more they Feel the Bern.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/hillarys-superdelegate-co_b_9206252.html

 

 

 

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gordyfl - This is why Democrats lose elections - everything you are enraged over is "politics as usual". Do the leaders of all political parties insert their own bias into the way the organization behaves? Yep, that's what leaders do - if you agree its good, if not, not so good, simple as that but its all POLITICS.

 

You seem to want to evade responsibility for the Disaster that is Der Trumper and the Republican Legislature AND the resurrected Fascist Five of SCOTUS and all the little Nazis Der Trumper appoints to lower courts.

 

The sad reality is you don't get to pick the BEST (your opinion) candidate possible, you only get to pick the BEST candidate RUNNING, and that's never a Republican OR a no-vote.

 

Thanks for getting our current Government elected and SCOTUS and the rest of the Judiciary packed with Facists.

 

Do you SERIOUSLY think any of the current disasters would've happened with Hillary as President? We'd have a progressive majority on SCOTUS, no huge taxscam to transfer more wealth from the middle to the very top, still have a role in the Mideast peace negotiations, have allies who will back us when the chips are down and 34 Million Americans would not be about to lose their health insurance.

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