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@rk9152 wrote:

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Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.


hey..here is something to do!!! find out where the condition of Michigan roads rank in the US. used to be the state had the best roads in the country..until they laid off the road crew and went to lowest minimum bidder..kinda like..a charter school. 


Focus - we are talking about education. And the fact that a School District issues vouchers so that kids can go to schools approved by the District and requested by the parents should really lead to positive results.

 

Let's be honest - there are three thoughts behind the objections to Ms. DeVos:

1) She was nominated by President Trump;

2) To a limited extent, she could weaken the control over our educational systems that the unions have;

3) For some, she is rich and therefore to be hated.


"should" does not mean "has proven to" 

Study facts about education vs pontificating right wing fabrications

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Construction projects go to the LOWEST BIDDER, and come with a surety clause that holds the winner liable if they fail to complete the work as agreed.

 

DeVos encourages the use of no-bid contracts going to whoever the local Republican hacks are related to and there certainly has never been a for-profit held accountable by the State for non-compliance. Instead we get virtually every non-profit college getting sued by individual students who were defrauded, a la' Trump University who got off with only $25 Million in restitution to over 6,000 of "his" students who were bilked out of over $40M by his fake education.

 

Now that disgusting fraudster has the opportunity to do to students k-12 what he did to kids wanting a college education, and DeVos is making it happen.

 

thanks again Hillary Haters

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.


hey..here is something to do!!! find out where the condition of Michigan roads rank in the US. used to be the state had the best roads in the country..until they laid off the road crew and went to lowest minimum bidder..kinda like..a charter school. 


Focus - we are talking about education. And the fact that a School District issues vouchers so that kids can go to schools approved by the District and requested by the parents should really lead to positive results.

 

Let's be honest - there are three thoughts behind the objections to Ms. DeVos:

1) She was nominated by President Trump;

2) To a limited extent, she could weaken the control over our educational systems that the unions have;

3) For some, she is rich and therefore to be hated.


Focus. the topic is devos lies for profit. >>>

If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 hypocrit much? i mean..its all in the same post.

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@MIseker wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


Thats exactly whats happening. Michigan schools are HORRIBLE about civics. just plain ol how it works, what you should do, etc.beyond saluting the flag and buying guns. So its up to me to teach civics..first to my now active progressive offspring AND their tribe, now to my grands. This weekend, by next for sure, i speak to my youngest about what his legal and moral obligations are to the flag and anthem, and why Gramps sometimes raises his left fist during the Anthem. The school had a former POW come and give a nice talk, finishing up with how disresptful you are to America and the Military if you dont toe the line vis/flag anthem. 


Exactly what the neoRepublicans intend - that we have to educate our own children about how Democracy works because the for-profits they replace public education with certainly won't teach anything so "controversial" as American Government or Civics.

 

One of the first things Hitler took over were the schools, after which he replaced Boy Scouts with Hitler Junge to make sure the children only learned what he wanted them to know. neoRepublicans consider Der Fuhrer's "reform" of education highly instructive and are working to establish a very similar "reform" of American education under Der Trumper.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.


hey..here is something to do!!! find out where the condition of Michigan roads rank in the US. used to be the state had the best roads in the country..until they laid off the road crew and went to lowest minimum bidder..kinda like..a charter school. 


Focus - we are talking about education. And the fact that a School District issues vouchers so that kids can go to schools approved by the District and requested by the parents should really lead to positive results.

 

Let's be honest - there are three thoughts behind the objections to Ms. DeVos:

1) She was nominated by President Trump;

2) To a limited extent, she could weaken the control over our educational systems that the unions have;

3) For some, she is rich and therefore to be hated.

 

keep posting. it keeps that headline toward the top/


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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.


hey..here is something to do!!! find out where the condition of Michigan roads rank in the US. used to be the state had the best roads in the country..until they laid off the road crew and went to lowest minimum bidder..kinda like..a charter school. 


Focus - we are talking about education. And the fact that a School District issues vouchers so that kids can go to schools approved by the District and requested by the parents should really lead to positive results.

 

Let's be honest - there are three thoughts behind the objections to Ms. DeVos:

1) She was nominated by President Trump;

2) To a limited extent, she could weaken the control over our educational systems that the unions have;

3) For some, she is rich and therefore to be hated.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.


hey..here is something to do!!! find out where the condition of Michigan roads rank in the US. used to be the state had the best roads in the country..until they laid off the road crew and went to lowest minimum bidder..kinda like..a charter school. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


with the end goal of putting public schools out of business. shift the taxes to a ceo and private school board, and get nothing in return.


Actually Mlseker, we'll get less than nothing because the for-profits do not require any teacher certification and beyond the first year, none show an actual improvement in student performance over the public schools the neoRepubs robbed to pay for them.

 

What the neoRepublicans will get is huge profits AND the ability to make sure no unsettling notions (like how Democracy should function) will be taught by the unqualified contract employees doing the actual teaching.


If the county puts out bids for road work heavy equipment companies compete and the result is the best product for the best price.

 

What is wrong with a similar approach being used by School Districts.

 

As always you are obsessing over someone making a (gasp!!) PROFIT.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Oh yeah..she is a Dominionist. People that want a Christian Theocracy ( her AND Pence ) and wants to fund for profit Christian schools ( her denomination of course) on the voucher system...as in using taxpayer money to fund religion.

How about the purpose is to make use of successful schools to give a better learning experience to kids in failing schools. Remember, no kid is assigned to a "voucher" school - their parents try to get them in. But there it is again - people should not make their own decisions, the government should make them for them.


and here you whined about links and didnt look at them.

 

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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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I get the feeling that the radical left does not like Ms. DeVos. I wonder if it was because she wants to improve the education offered to children but not in the same ways that have failed in the past.

 

Or maybe it is because she has more money than they do and is a (gasp!!) Capitalist.


Michigan has been Republican since it recovered from Regan. Dick DeVos ran for governor, and even republicans voted against him. He lost and went back to his job funding alt right ideals about education. Thats how Betsy got her job. Michiganders are currently on the DeVos educational system, except as barred by the US Constitution. all the goodies you hear about Detroit schools? sorry to tell ya Devos Acolytes were put in charge of it by the governor that poisoned Flint water. canchasee these connections?


DeVos main interest in "improving" education is to make it more profitable, and secondarily to make sure nobody learns how to THINK. The condition of the Detroit Schools that her compatriots have been running is the truest example of how DeVos Education actually functions. Just another reason neoRepublicans cannot be trusted to govern.


Can you back any of that up or is it just more of "those" facts"?

 

In many areas "voucher" systems are successfully used. Alternate opportunities can improve the learning experience of the students and motivate the public schools to improve.

 

If improved education is to be labeled "neoRepublican" I, for one, will not object.


You for one, can cherry pick this list..but i doubt you will glean its meaning. or look at it. Devos michigan schools. a simple search.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=Devos+schools+in+Mich&oq=Devos+schools+in+Mich&aqs=chrome..69i57.770...


https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/08/07/540970124/the-public-schools-near-betsy-devos-hometown-ar...

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