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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Ed's information about Steele "retracting" his statements in the dossier were part of an anti-deflamation lawsuit brought by Russian Oligarchs that was thrown out of court. The fact is, human intelligence is seldom 100% verifiable simply because the one's providing the information could DIE if they admit to providing it.

 

What was in the Steele Dossier?

 

Information that donny trump had established extensive financial connections to the Russian Oligarchs and Government at a time no Western financial institutions would lend Trump money for his real estate deals, OR deal with what was demonstrably a corrupt Government in Moscow.

 

Information that these financial connections (now known to total over $400Million) could pose a means to blackmail Trump.

 

That there was an extensive exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Russian Government and these exchanges had proven "mutually beneficial".

 

That his Russian connections made Trump a serious National Security Risk for the United States should he become POTUS

 

That the FBI had blocked all efforts to make Trump's Russia connection public, and instead concentrated on Hillary Clinton's emails.

 

That Trump had discussed building the "tallest building in Europe" in Moscow if he was allowed to put his name on it.

 

That Trump had several meetings with Russian Government officials while attending the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow which he lied about to the FBI...

 

...and then there were the stories of Trump partying hearty with Russian hookers, at least one of whom peed on him -

 

the last bit is the ONLY part that does not mesh perfectly with what we know from the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


Yes, businessman Trump did business with Russian businessmen. Your assumptions about potential "blackmail" would indicate that no businessman would ever do business with another businessman. That sorta brings us to your economic philosophy where the government owns everything.  I guess that would solve that problem.

 

Always trying to imply things must be carried to absurd lengths and using semantics as a replacement for logic. No HONEST businessmen in the Western World were doing business with Russia because the oligarchs were notorously DISHONEST.
Trump did business with Russians because NEITHER of them were considered honest, which is WHY Trump could not even get junk bond financing for his real estate schemes when he found $400 Million from the Russian Mob/Oligarchs/Government that needed laundering, so lil donny "took in their washing". Deutsche Bank, who provided the conduit for the Russian money, had loaned Trump around $630Million total and had been fined $7.2 BILLION by the Obama Administration for their part in the mortgage fraud jrbush made possible. Der Trumper ordered the DOJ to forgive the $7.2 Billion fine, no word yet how that effected his outstanding loans, but Mueller has obtained DBs records on their business with the Russians AND Trump, so stay tuned for breaking news.
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Ed's information about Steele "retracting" his statements in the dossier were part of an anti-deflamation lawsuit brought by Russian Oligarchs that was thrown out of court. The fact is, human intelligence is seldom 100% verifiable simply because the one's providing the information could DIE if they admit to providing it.

 

What was in the Steele Dossier?

 

Information that donny trump had established extensive financial connections to the Russian Oligarchs and Government at a time no Western financial institutions would lend Trump money for his real estate deals, OR deal with what was demonstrably a corrupt Government in Moscow.

 

Information that these financial connections (now known to total over $400Million) could pose a means to blackmail Trump.

 

That there was an extensive exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Russian Government and these exchanges had proven "mutually beneficial".

 

That his Russian connections made Trump a serious National Security Risk for the United States should he become POTUS

 

That the FBI had blocked all efforts to make Trump's Russia connection public, and instead concentrated on Hillary Clinton's emails.

 

That Trump had discussed building the "tallest building in Europe" in Moscow if he was allowed to put his name on it.

 

That Trump had several meetings with Russian Government officials while attending the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow which he lied about to the FBI...

 

...and then there were the stories of Trump partying hearty with Russian hookers, at least one of whom peed on him -

 

the last bit is the ONLY part that does not mesh perfectly with what we know from the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


Yes, businessman Trump did business with Russian businessmen. Your assumptions about potential "blackmail" would indicate that no businessman would ever do business with another businessman. That sorta brings us to your economic philosophy where the government owns everything.  I guess that would solve that problem.

 

That there was an extensive exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Russian Government and these exchanges had proven "mutually beneficial".

 

What are you referring to? This might be another case where only you have information that would be valuable to Mueller - better give him a call.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Nobody claimed yesterday's plea bargains were directedly related to Russia.

 

Yet, was Russian meddling in our elections the supposed point of the investigation?? He certainly was not brought on board to check out old tax records nor sex from a decade ago.


Apparently, the trump Cult and Fox Viewers don't understand what, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" actually means.  So sad......

 

Of course they forget lying about a **bleep** had nothing to do Whitewater either.  But political bigots just don't care.


Why does the hate filled left have so much trouble focusing. This is not about any cult or Fox - it is about (supposedly) Russian collusion to effect our elections. But, it is true, through some fluke, Mueller was given unending authority to do whatever it takes to "get Trump".

 

So, I guess we will be putting up with porn stars, bunnies, NYC Madams, old tax records, old taxi company stuff, consulting contracts with Turkey and who knows what for a long time to come - what are his terms in office - another 6 1/2 years?

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

Are the Trump supporters getting paid to write the nonsense? 

 

Don't know how anyone could continue to voluntarily support that mobster after yesterday. 


What happened yesterday the effects the President (I assume that is who you are referring to)? A long time friend got nailed for decade old tax issues and his lawyer got nailed for assorted things including something about his taxi company.

 

I am still wondering when someone is going to get around to Russian collusion.

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@easyed598 wrote:

The only reason why Steele wasn`t indicted  by the British Court was that he told the truth that most of dossier was unverified and  wouldn`t identify unknown source.Smiley Frustrated This court case was brought against Buzzfeed who published the phony dossier. 


Intelligence estimates are seldom "verified" until whatever they proposed actually happens, in which case the Steele Dossier is 100% on the money...except for a video of Trump getting peed on by a Russian hooker, but if he keeps barking at his Master, Putin will release that as well.

 

Not "court case". THROWN OUT of Court Case.

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It's obvious Ed believes everything the Fox propaganda network tells him. For millions of Americans who prefer the truth, we await the results of the Muller Teams' thorough and detailed investigation. Other than his team, despite what Fox tells Ed, none of us know what that will be. But there are numerous reasons to believe that outcome will be ominous for Comrade Trump.

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critical wrote-The only thing which matters is the Mueller investigationWill his team find that Trump engaged in international financial fraud, obstruction of justice, and was he part of a conspiracy to work with the Russians to impact the 2016 election.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------International fraud? Will they have to go back a dozen years and still find nothing? Obstruction of justice?  Against a non crime and exposing a phony Dossier?   Conspiracy to work with Russians?   Did not happen based on Mueller  unable to find any collusion. Unless working with Russians and Putin to achieve world peace since he was elected President, in Helsinki.

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Let Ed believe whatever he wants about the Steele Dossier. Who cares? Why would anyone argue with Trump Cult members over that dossier, when it only matters to those dedicated to watching the Fox propaganda network. That's what Fox wants,they want to see Americans lost in a maize of trivial and irrelevant details about the dossier.

 

The only thing which matters is the Mueller investigation. Will his team find that Trump engaged in international financial fraud, obstruction of justice, and was he part of a conspiracy to work with the Russians to impact the 2016 election.

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The only reason why Steele wasn`t indicted  by the British Court was that he told the truth that most of dossier was unverified and  wouldn`t identify unknown source.Smiley Frustrated This court case was brought against Buzzfeed who published the phony dossier. 

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Centrists wrote-Nope; you didn't.  Only in your own mind.  Prove, with verifiable facts that anything in the dossier was not true.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If Steele doesn`t believe his own Dossier why would you? He said it was unverifable and  mystery source  doesn`t won`t  to be identiied(if there realy is one).   Why isn`t the unhinged left unwilling to accept the truth.  Prove, that any of it is true.

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