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@ChasKy53wrote:

So let me get this straight ................ the Right, or at least this poster, is glad that an organization that trump and the Right in general has accused of being corrupt is now going to investigate alleged FISA abuses.

 

Geez .................... ya' just can't make this stuff up !!!!!! LOL !!!!!!


Looks more like Congressional NRAGOPers will be investigating, and given their track record - 24 YEARS of investigating both Clintons with not a single criminal charge brought, let alone trial held, they will continue to invent lies for their Russiabots to make the lofo NRAGOP base believe to be true. Not a big problem, they just repeat the lie on Fox, Brieghtbart and Infowars and, for the NRAGOP base, it becomes Gospel.

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@john258wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

So let me get this straight ................ the Right, or at least this poster, is glad that an organization that trump and the Right in general has accused of being corrupt is now going to investigate alleged FISA abuses.

 

Geez .................... ya' just can't make this stuff up !!!!!! LOL !!!!!!


Well, actually you can make it up (as you just did) and then get all giggly over the "make up".

 

The President has never called Session corrupt nor has he called the FBI corrupt. It has been pointed out that certain, small elements of the FBI has been used for partisan purposes by the previous Administration. Now we have to have confidence in the new AG to wisely select the personnel involved.


Tell us what he did say about him and why he used the word Disgusting about his AG. Now the AG did fire back at Trump, and sent a stronger message in the photo of his dinner and who attended with him. It was R.O. and the guy who would replace R.O. on the Muller Oversight is Trump fire the 2 of them.


Well, "us" you really should follow the conversation. The words was "corrupt" not "disgusting". 


You did not answer my question.

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@john258wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

So let me get this straight ................ the Right, or at least this poster, is glad that an organization that trump and the Right in general has accused of being corrupt is now going to investigate alleged FISA abuses.

 

Geez .................... ya' just can't make this stuff up !!!!!! LOL !!!!!!


Well, actually you can make it up (as you just did) and then get all giggly over the "make up".

 

The President has never called Session corrupt nor has he called the FBI corrupt. It has been pointed out that certain, small elements of the FBI has been used for partisan purposes by the previous Administration. Now we have to have confidence in the new AG to wisely select the personnel involved.


Tell us what he did say about him and why he used the word Disgusting about his AG. Now the AG did fire back at Trump, and sent a stronger message in the photo of his dinner and who attended with him. It was R.O. and the guy who would replace R.O. on the Muller Oversight is Trump fire the 2 of them.


Well, "us" you really should follow the conversation. The words was "corrupt" not "disgusting". 

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The chairman of the House armed services committee on Wednesday became the highest-ranking congressional Republican to declare that the Trump administration should have implemented mandatory sanctions against Russia last month, adding to a growing bipartisan movement to put pressure on the White House to more aggressively punish the Kremlin. Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX), the committee’s chairman, said he shares concerns relayed by Adm. Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command, who told Thornberry’s Senate counterparts on Tuesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin “has come to the conclusion that there’s little price to pay” for Moscow’s cyber-attacks aimed at disrupting elections in the United States and elsewhere. ...

 

Trump has a soft spot for Russia.  Why???  


That is an assumption that appears to be an effort to draw attention away from the FISA issue.

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Message 15 of 41

Both parties suppressed evidence of FBI abuse of the FISA process until after the FISA Amendments Act could be re-authorized January, 2018. They didn’t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany.

That might cause more Americans to call up their Representatives and demand that the FISA mass surveillance amendment be allowed to sunset. The Bill was signed by President Donald Trump in January.
Section 702 allows the US government to collect communications, such as emails and phone records, of foreigners on foreign soil without a warrant. While the law targets non-US citizens, critics warn the government may incidentally monitor US citizens who are communicating with non-US citizens outside the United States. Its proponents have argued the program helps keep Americans safe.
Ironically, Chairman Nunes was the biggest cheerleader for the extension of the FISA Amendments even as he knew how terribly the FISA process had been abused!

 

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/february/05/what-the-fbifisa-memo-re...

 

Neither Republicans nor Democrats in Washington really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims. People take different sides on this issue when it involves partisan politics.

 

The Senate Vote on FISA...

 

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2...

 

 

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@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

So let me get this straight ................ the Right, or at least this poster, is glad that an organization that trump and the Right in general has accused of being corrupt is now going to investigate alleged FISA abuses.

 

Geez .................... ya' just can't make this stuff up !!!!!! LOL !!!!!!


Well, actually you can make it up (as you just did) and then get all giggly over the "make up".

 

The President has never called Session corrupt nor has he called the FBI corrupt. It has been pointed out that certain, small elements of the FBI has been used for partisan purposes by the previous Administration. Now we have to have confidence in the new AG to wisely select the personnel involved.


Tell us what he did say about him and why he used the word Disgusting about his AG. Now the AG did fire back at Trump, and sent a stronger message in the photo of his dinner and who attended with him. It was R.O. and the guy who would replace R.O. on the Muller Oversight is Trump fire the 2 of them.

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Message 17 of 41

The chairman of the House armed services committee on Wednesday became the highest-ranking congressional Republican to declare that the Trump administration should have implemented mandatory sanctions against Russia last month, adding to a growing bipartisan movement to put pressure on the White House to more aggressively punish the Kremlin. Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX), the committee’s chairman, said he shares concerns relayed by Adm. Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command, who told Thornberry’s Senate counterparts on Tuesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin “has come to the conclusion that there’s little price to pay” for Moscow’s cyber-attacks aimed at disrupting elections in the United States and elsewhere. ...

 

Trump has a soft spot for Russia.  Why???  

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@ChasKy53wrote:

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@CriticalThinkingwrote:

Some people believe every radical right wing conspiracy theory.


And some will accept anything including the corruption of federal agencies if it can be used to thwart the efforts of President Trump.


And one Right Wing poster here wants a supposedly corrupt federal agency to investigate supposed FISA abuses.


How does an investigation corrupt - it reveals corruption - it takes "supposed" off the table..

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 What kind of idiot repeatedly calls the DOJ corrupt, denigrating it at every turn and then asks its personnel to investigate another matter?

OMG, trump’s stupidity and hypocrisy is absolutely amazing.  Yet, his ridiculous base sees none of this and actually posts a thread that shows what an idiot their hero really is.  Makes me wonder if there is one single solitary person supporting trump who has a living brain cell!

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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Credible allegations of wrong doing must be investigated by scrupulously honest professionals with real credentials in what they do.  Political hacks must be eliminated from any part of the process.  Political appointees CAN NOT be trusted even if they have some small degree of expertise.  

 

Once begun, the investigation must proceed without interference and go where the evidence leads to the absolute end of the daisy chain.  The Truth is there....nowhere else.

 

The LAW is imperfect, having been crafted in large part by corrupt people in responsible positions.  Guilt or innocence relying solely on specifics in statutes may not result in justice.  "It's not a crime" will be heard repeatedly. 

 

Laws are witten to deal with offenses that are reasonably anticipated or have already occurred....not for offenses that no one thought would ever happen here or had not occurred before.  So...the results of any investigation must result in laws that deal with those offenses effectively.....no loopholes to grease political skids into corruption.

 

'The donald' is systematically destroying our trust in institiutions we rely on, accusing the institution itself of being corrupt.  He and his backers know that without trust, resolution is not possible.  He and his backers know that without trust, our democratic republic cannot exist.  

 

A 'New Order' will follow.  Wait for it.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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