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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

 

Additionally you are claiming that you are more an authority on the Constitution than anyone else.  What is in error of that phrase about not passing laws about establishing religion or hinder the free exercise thereof?


I am not sure, nor do I care, about scriptures.  I do have a pretty good feel for right and wrong.  The baker went into business and the right thing to do is to serve all members of the public equally. 

 

 

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The Constitution doesn't provide for laws to be broken because of supposed religious beliefs that could very easily be defined as simple bigotry. That seems to have been ignored by the Right and so-called Independents throughout this discussion.


So you are saying that the baker's religious beliefs could be defined as bigotry?  Are you saying that the first chapter of Romans does not cover what she believes?  Are you saying that you can dictate what is written there as simple bigotry?  What gives you the right to rewrite the words in the scriptures?

 

Are you saying that you are the decider as to what religious beliefs are authorized by the scriptures?

 

No, what has been said in this thread is basically covered by the New Testament scriptures.  It does appear that you have set yourself up as being more authoritative than the writings of the Apostles.

 

Additionally you are claiming that you are more an authority on the Constitution than anyone else.  What is in error of that phrase about not passing laws about establishing religion or hinder the free exercise thereof?

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And you're not? In your dreams.  This is an issue of law. No scripture gives you or anyone the right to break a law.


You're not following me around disputing everything I post?  And when does the law overrule the Constitution provisions of no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?  That has been continually ignored by the left throughout these discussions.


You don't like being disputed or disagreed with, that is more than obvious. A political discussion forum is a bad place to be with that attitude. The Constitution doesn't provide for laws to be broken because of supposed religious beliefs that could very easily be defined as simple bigotry. That seems to have been ignored by the Right and so-called Independents throughout this discussion.


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 believe that it is their duty to execute gay people

 

 


 


No one is suggesting executing gays, nor anything similar.  Just that a person shouldn't be forced to violate their religious beliefs.  It violates their constitutional rights.  And one would doubt that the state can take away one persons rights to satisfy anothers.  Even in the small area where I live, there are multiple resources for bakery cakes including custom wedding cakes.

 

And regarding the rest of Romans Chapter one, the train of thought is to admonish the Roman Christians to not partake of the deeds listed.  And in doing so Paul gave a summary of what God expected but that man ignored.

 

It wasn't addressed to idol worshipers, but like the entire epistle to the Christians at Rome.  Read what it says in verse 7 and 8.  Nothing was said about idolaters.

 

The baker is apparently using that as a guide as her beliefs. 

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Besides just reading it Tex ..... UNDERSTAND IT!!!


Ok, I'll bite... do you understand it?

Yes I do Tex ..... But YOU obviously do not!

 

Verses 20 thru 24 of that chapter:

 

"20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves"

 

That isn't applicable to the rest of the chapter?

Never said it wasn't Tex!

And if you understood it, you would know that it has to do with worshiping idols (exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles) ..... one of the pagan practices that Roman Christians reinstated for themselves!

Your reference has just proven what I stated! 

 

Again back to the topic of the wedding cake for gays....the baker was sticking to her religious beliefs fully knowing the penalties of the law, much like the early Christians under the Roman law.   The similarities is their faith.

There is NO SIMILARITY with Roman law and our law Tex!

 

I would believe that all this has been completely hashed out over and over and has become redundant.

Not quite Tex.

 

So Tex .... as there are certain evangelical/fundamentalists who believe that it is their duty to execute gay people, are their religious beliefs also being violated by secular law which prohibits taking the life of another person (murder)?

 

 


 

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Besides just reading it Tex ..... UNDERSTAND IT!!!


Ok, I'll bite... do you understand it?

 

Verses 20 thru 24 of that chapter:

 

"20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves"

 

That isn't applicable to the rest of the chapter?

 

Again back to the topic of the wedding cake for gays....the baker was sticking to her religious beliefs fully knowing the penalties of the law, much like the early Christians under the Roman law.   The similarities is their faith.

 

I would believe that all this has been completely hashed out over and over and has become redundant.

 

 

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God didn't create religion - flawed and fallible humans did - and as usual - got it wrong.

 

 

 

 


He didn't?  Didn't He give man freewill to control his own destiny?  Didn't God expect man to worship him and not some idolatry rather than make him a puppet on a string?  And hasn't man created multiple gods to worship rather than his Creator?

 

Can you prove that there are multiple religions not created by man?  Are you willing to believe that all of these religions will get you into the hereafter?   Where did you get that revelation?  Why should anyone believe you or anyone here instead of the scriptures?

 

And who has pointed out scriptural errors and to whom? 

 

 


All you need to do is provide something that was not written by flawed and fallible humans - but is without the slightst possibility of doubt directly from the deity without any flawed human in the middle...

 

Could God do that without any effort?   Of course.   Easy Peasy...

 

Thomas the disciple wanted proof and got it - Jesus didn't refuse him or disapprove of him for that, did he?

 

Nothing wrong with wanting proof instead of believing hearsay...

 

Who are you to question why your God made me this way?

 

 

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Is a gay couple marrying a crime?

 



Now you are attempting to equate spirtual and religious matters with secular laws and matters.  Read Romans 1: 26-27, in fact read the entire chapter.  

 

But of course you, as with others, will only believe what you want to believe and see what you want to see.


A criticism better applied to yourself Tex.

 

Your Biblical reference is a favorite of ignorant bigoted gay bashers who use it out of context and ignore everything that precedes it.

 

If you took the time to understand it and had knowledge of what it addressed you would realize that it has to do with Roman Christians going back to their previous pagan practices and NOTHING to do with condemnation of gay people!

 

Besides just reading it Tex ..... UNDERSTAND IT!!!

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alferdpacker wrote:

 

God didn't create religion - flawed and fallible humans did - and as usual - got it wrong.

 

 

 

 


He didn't?  Didn't He give man freewill to control his own destiny?  Didn't God expect man to worship him and not some idolatry rather than make him a puppet on a string?  And hasn't man created multiple gods to worship rather than his Creator?

 

Can you prove that there are multiple religions not created by man?  Are you willing to believe that all of these religions will get you into the hereafter?   Where did you get that revelation?  Why should anyone believe you or anyone here instead of the scriptures?

 

And who has pointed out scriptural errors and to whom? 

 

 

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