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Re: Custom Wedding Cake Legal Battle Continues

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ChasKy53 wrote:



 

And you're not? In your dreams.  This is an issue of law. No scripture gives you or anyone the right to break a law.


You're not following me around disputing everything I post?  And when does the law overrule the Constitution provisions of no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?  That has been continually ignored by the left throughout these discussions.

 

Just because a person enters into a business doesn't mean they give up their constitutional rights.  Even during the days of the draft there was provisions to either be exempt or given consideration and placed in a job to avoid combat.  I've been acquainted with many conscientious objectors who served in a non-combatant area.

 

This baker did the same since she couldn't honestly go against her beliefs.  But there are some here who isn't even happy about that and would want her to be forced to do so.  Wouldn't that make them sort of bigoted also?

 

Or is it that some here just wants to be argumentative and to get back at someone who has a contrary opinion?

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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

phyllisc6781 wrote:

It’s obvious bigots and racists still can’t understand equality under the law.



It's obvious that there are bigots on both sides of an issue.  On the one side is those who think that they have to force those who is attempting to conduct themselves according to their beliefs based on what is commanded in the New Testament.

 

On the other hand are those who are attacking those beliefs in an effort to destroy them because they can't stand anyone who wants to serve God.

 

 


Agreed - it's true that -

"On the one side is those who think that they have to force those who is attempting to conduct themselves according to their beliefs based on what is commanded in the New Testament."

However the description of Xtian bigots and bigotry would be more understandable were it in a gramatically correct English Language sentence that does not contain a glaringly indistinct and unidentified antecedent.

 

Don't be silly - I AM serving god by observing that not only organized Christianity, but all organized religions created by flawed and fallible humans are as flawed and incorrect as those flawed humans who wrote scriptures for all religions - and got it wrong. 

 

That all the scriptural errors and internal self-contradictions have never been corrected after being pointed out - demonstrates that that organized religion is deliberately ignoring the fact that there are multiple instances that nevertheless remain wrong.

 

God didn't create religion - flawed and fallible humans did - and as usual - got it wrong.

 

Divinely inspired writings?   All you have to do is irrefutably prove it.

 

Easy Peasey...

 

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

Even Christians are held to the laws of our society, regardless of their beliefs. Nothing in Romans justifies a person breaking laws.

Your carrying this to the extremes of cutting off one's hand is being very hypocritical and deviating from the issue.

 

As far as your rejecting the scripture I furnished as not applying to one's belief in what way?

 

Using as a parallel about law, then you believe that the early Christians in Rome was wrong in not obeying Roman law to worship their gods?  Even to the extent of being soaked in oil and being used as human torches? 

 

You are basically saying that a person obeying the commands of the scripture I furnished isrequired to put man's laws over those of God?  Therefore the Romans were justified in their putting Christians to death for not worshiping their false gods?


An enormous false equivalency Tex ..... in a ludicrous attempt to equate Roman law with our laws!

DUMP TRUMP AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

Even Christians are held to the laws of our society, regardless of their beliefs. Nothing in Romans justifies a person breaking laws.

Your carrying this to the extremes .........

 

 


And you're not? In your dreams.  This is an issue of law. No scripture gives you or anyone the right to break a law.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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phyllisc6781 wrote:

It’s obvious bigots and racists still can’t understand equality under the law.



It's obvious that there are bigots on both sides of an issue.  On the one side is those who think that they have to force those who is attempting to conduct themselves according to their beliefs based on what is commanded in the New Testament.

 

On the other hand are those who are attacking those beliefs in an effort to destroy them because they can't stand anyone who wants to serve God.

 

Some of the latter are also disrespectful of our government by continually calling our President sarcastic juvenile names.  They also cannot tolerate anyone with the noted religious beliefs.  All that is lacking to have a similarity with the ancient Romans is the burning of Christians at the stake for not worshiping the present day secular gods.

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Richva wrote:

 

 


The state is not telling the baker how to run the business, simply that they cannot discriminate in who they will serve. Oddly, the same questions arose in the 60s when restaurants were forced to serve blacks. 

  • They have their own restaurants
  • I have the right to refuse service to anyone
  • White folks will not eat here if I allow them inside
  • They are unclean.

Any ignorant, racist, or bigoted excuse was tried, wasn’t it, Rich?

It’s obvious bigots and racists still can’t understand equality under the law.

RE: Hobby Lobby—entirely different scenario,  which had nothing to do with dealing with the general public. 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

Richva wrote:



Hobby Lobby was about a particular type of birth control where there were other options offered through the HL health plan. You are suggesting that the baker can abdicate the responsibility to serve the public equally by providing a work around or sending certain classes of people to other vendors.  I don't think that works. 

 

The court is not trying to determine if the problem was resolved. They are trying to determine if rights are violated. 


The Hobby Lobby decision indicates that religious beliefs can be a factor in operating a business.  And doubtful the baker has any responsibiltity to the public since she operates a profit making business, not a public service.  The state is telling her how to run it much like would be in a dictatorial country.  If the state is going to tell her how to run her business, then why can't they subsidize her for any losses since they have become a silent partner? 

 

She was showing concern in declining the customer by arranging an alternate way.

 

 


The state is not telling the baker how to run the business, simply that they cannot discriminate in who they will serve. Oddly, the same questions arose in the 60s when restaurants were forced to serve blacks. 

  • They have their own restaurants
  • I have the right to refuse service to anyone
  • White folks will not eat here if I allow them inside
  • They are unclean.
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phyllisc6781 wrote:

@alferdpacker—RE: homosexuality—How dare you use scientific research and your knowledge to argue the obvious? What you write is common knowledge—known for years amongst anyone who pays attention. 

Thanks for providing accuracy and knowledge into what should be a non issue.

People are born with differing sexual orientations.

Only extreme ignorants and those living under a rock don’t understand that.

It is ILLEGAL to discrimminate—period.

All other excuses SCREAM THREE THINGS—IGNORANCE,

HOMOPHOBIA,

and total DISREGARD FOR THE LAW. 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


Ignorant bigots - but for the good fortune of continuing evolution -  the rest of the nation would be a couple of bubbles off of plumb right along with them.

 

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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phyllisc6781 wrote:

People are born with differing sexual orientations.

Only extreme ignorants and those living under a rock don’t understand that.

It is ILLEGAL to discrimminate—period.

All other excuses SCREAM THREE THINGS—IGNORANCE,

HOMOPHOBIA,

and total DISREGARD FOR THE LAW. 

 

 


You have indisputable proof of that?  Then why are humans, and all animals born male or female?  Of course to win arguments one can call anyone disagreeing all sorts of names...

 

And doesn't the law also protect the right to religious beliefs?  But apparently there are some, including here, who is more intolerant of anyone following religious beliefs than those who they claim that is intolerant of their lifestyle?

 

Your post indicates that.  The law, the ultimate law of the land, the Consitution, protects religious beliefs.... yet you suggest they have a disregard for the law. 

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alferdpacker wrote:

 


More than half of Americans are ok with homosexuality.


 


That doesn't negate the scriptural teachings on the topic.  For centuries people thought the earth was flat, even scientific evidence of the time said so, but that didn't make it so.

 

As far as Catholics or Protestants supporting it, I doubt that would influence God from changing the scriptures.  Nor does it.  Also the Constitution doesn't change the scriptural writings on the topic.  Plus according what you have posted mostly since you have been on this site, apparently you aren't even associated with religion but has mocked it.

 

Finally according to your last sentence you have admitted that the Constitution gives the baker the right to believe as she does, basically giving her the right to conduct her creativity as she wants.  It gives those Christians the right not to support gay conduct without being fear.

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