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I have no idea what Jim is talking about. As for legal experts, he has the same access to the Internet that I do. However, unlike him, I don't use Fox and radical right wing smear campaign experts as my exclusive source for information. 

 

As for the legal experts I mentioned, they agree the President has the right to fire the head of the FBI for any reasonable reason (almost without cause). He just cannot do it to block an investigation. I happen to agree with them, I don't think firing James Comey will be used as a reason for filing "obstruction of justice" charges. There are just too many reasons/excuses the President can come up with. 

 

Having said that, I obviously don't know what evidence, if any, the Mueller team has for proving obstruction of justice for other reasons. I would be surprised if Mueller's team goes with that charge.

 

In the end, what might bring Trump down is the Cohen investigation. I think the Muller investigation will bring down many of the people Trump hired to run his campaign and work in the White House. But I would be pleasantly surprised if it leads directly to Trump. He's such a nasty, despicable man so who knows what the Mueller team will find?

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BY:   Mike Ciandella
 

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has issued a criminal referral to the U.S. Attorney’s office regarding former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The referral was made “some time ago,” according to the Washington Post, but news of it is only now being shared with the public.

The referral stated that McCabe “lacked candor” in four separate instances “when discussing the disclosure of information for a Wall Street Journal article about the FBI’s Clinton Foundation investigation,” according to CNN, which has a copy of the report.

 

The recommendation came just a week after a report from the Inspector General’s office in which Horowitz accused McCabe of leaking information to the media to “advance his personal interest.”

In last week’s report, Horowitz said that McCabe was not authorized to disclose that the investigation was taking place and that McCabe had misled former FBI Director James Comey into believing that he did not know who was responsible for authorizing the disclosure.

 

 

 


Well here we go again. Guess what was one of the things being pushed on FOX this evening. Yes you thinking people are correct. This subject.

I hope all realize this was the report used by the JD to fire McCabe over a month ago. The report was not even out then but what was coming in it was leaked, and the Trump enablers used it to try and kill the retirement earned by McCabe. The support article is not new, and it has been discussed by McCabe Boss at the time on TV as late as last evening. His boss at the time told us McCabe had the authority to discuss with the Media the subjects in this article. His boss said he wished he had talked to him first since that might have prevented all of this, but McCabe did nothing wrong in talking to the media. His boss also explained what lacked candor really means in JD speak. It is a catch all phrase and is used when nothing else fits what is a small problem. His boss does not think any action should or will be taken against McCabe.

So we have another red herring from the far right to divert us from the real stories of the day.

We hear tonight on TV that the AG told the WH that if Rod R is fired the AG will leave also. They say this is what slowed down or stopped Trump from firing R.R. last weekend.

What the far right gave us as big news tonight is just another step Trump takes us down the path Germany went in the 1930. Germany had Hitler. Lets hope the US wakes up and does not get its Dictator Trump.

Last note. How about Stormy lawyer now working with the FBI on the MC probe. They say that probe could easy take Trump down.


Reported by the Washington Post and CNN - neither works for Fox. The charges were brought be the DOJ Inspector General who does not work for Fox. And, to the best of my knowledge none of them are related to Germany of the '30s nor Hitler.

 

So ....... your point??


No questions from you is my point.   Look at the word reported.


I frankly cannot see where the word "reported" relates to the silliness about Germany, Fox and Hitler.


It is over your head.


Yes it is. Maybe you can help me understand the relationship you see between the word "reported' and the silliness about Germany, Fox, and Hitler.


Can not help you. You might look in the yellow pages.

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@CriticalThinkingwrote:

The previous post illustrates how bias can impact one's interpretation of documents. For most objective people, the really compelling aspect of the Comey memos is they virtually 100% corroborate Comey's previous testimony before Congress. 

 

Just because Comey didn't use the words "obstruction of justice" means very little in terms of the law. His goal was to document what happened, not to draw legal conclusions. It's Trump's actions, not Comey's interpretation of the law, which matters.

 

On a separate note, the firing of James Comey could be interpreted as perfectly legal under federal law. Some legal experts disagree, they think motive comes into play. Be careful with that argument because motive is not easy to prove in a court of law. I think Trump fired Comey to obstruct the Russian investigation, but from a legal perspective, that may not be a strong enough reason to issue an obstruction of justice charge.


Who are the "experts" you are referring to?

 

Did you read the memos?  The President made clear according to Comey's memos that:

 

  • Former Director Comey’s memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated.

 

 

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The previous post illustrates how bias can impact one's interpretation of documents. For most objective people, the really compelling aspect of the Comey memos is they virtually 100% corroborate Comey's previous testimony before Congress. 

 

Just because Comey didn't use the words "obstruction of justice" means very little in terms of the law. His goal was to document what happened, not to draw legal conclusions. It's Trump's actions, not Comey's interpretation of the law, which matters.

 

On a separate note, the firing of James Comey could be interpreted as perfectly legal under federal law. Some legal experts disagree, they think motive comes into play. Be careful with that argument because motive is not easy to prove in a court of law. I think Trump fired Comey to obstruct the Russian investigation, but from a legal perspective, that may not be a strong enough reason to issue an obstruction of justice charge.

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BY:    T.A. Reid | Apr 21, 2018 | News |

Facing an imminent Congressional subpoena, the Department of Justice finally turned over James Comey’s now-infamous memos Thursday night – which were promptly leaked and published by AP.

We already know that Comey’s leak to the press was illegal – as the FBI’s chief FOIA officer, David Hardy, gave a sworn declaration to Judicial Watch in which he says that all seven of Comey’s memos were classified at the time they were written, and they remain classified.

 

Perhaps most disturbing is that James Comey’s memos do not make a compelling case for obstruction whatsoever – which Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein (who Comey said “I didn’t have confidence” in), used to launch the special counsel investigation headed by former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

 

In response to the Comey memos, Congressional Committee chairs Devin Nunes (R-CA), Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) and Trey Gowdy (R-SC) fired off a scathing rebuke, in which they made it abundantly clear that the Mueller investigation is a farce based on yet another example of the FBI using a flimsy document to launch a politically motivated investigation.

 

These memos are significant for both what is in them and what is not,” begins the joint statement, which goes on to completely dress down the FBI and James Comey:

 

  • Former Director Comey’s memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated.
  • The memos also made clear the ‘cloud’ President Trump wanted lifted was not the Russian interference in the 2016 election cloud, rather it was the salacious, unsubstantiated allegations related to personal conduct leveled in the dossier.
  • The memos also show former Director Comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. he never once mentioned the most relevant fact of all, which was whether he felt obstructed in his investigation.”
  • The memos also make certain what has become increasingly clear of late: former Director Comey has at least two different standards in his interactions with others. He chose not to memorialize conversations with President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, Secretary Clinton, Andrew McCabe or others, but he immediately began to memorialize conversations with President Trump. It is significant former Director Comey made no effort to memorialize conversations with former Attorney General Lynch despite concerns apparently significant enough to warrant his unprecedented appropriation of the charging decision away from her and the Department of Justice in July of 2016.

 

  • These memos also lay bare the notion that former Director Comey is not motivated by animus. He was willing to work for someone he deemed morally unsuited for office, capable of lying, requiring of personal loyalty, worthy of impeachment, and sharing the traits of a mob boss. Former Director Comey was willing to overlook all of the aforementioned characteristics in order to keep his job. In his eyes, the real crime was his own firing.
  • The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe.
  • Finally, former Director Comey leaked at least one of these memos for the stated purpose of spurring the appointment of Special Counsel, yet he took no steps to spur the appointment of Special Counsel when he had significant concerns about the objectivity of the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
  • “As we have consistently said, rather than making a criminal case for obstruction or interference with an ongoing investigation, these memos would be Defense Exhibit A should such a charge be made.”

In response to the memo’s release, President Trump exclaimed over Twitter:

“James Comey Memos just out and show clearly that there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION.” adding “Also, he leaked classified information. WOW! Will the Witch Hunt continue?”

 

James Comey Memos just out and show clearly that there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION. Also, he leaked classified information. WOW! Will the Witch Hunt continue?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 20, 2018

Then again, given that the Special Counsel has gone from investigating whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia – to raiding Trump’s lawyer over documents related to paying off a porn star, perhaps Mueller’s probe is getting a bit long in the tooth…

 

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Tic Toc....




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The Trump Cult Hypocrisy program continues full speed ahead with the smear campaign. While they provide 100% support to a pathological LIAR in the White House, they feign moral outrage at any alleged conspiracy theory directed at the FBI individuals investigating their hero in the White House.

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@john258wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

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BY:   Mike Ciandella
 

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has issued a criminal referral to the U.S. Attorney’s office regarding former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The referral was made “some time ago,” according to the Washington Post, but news of it is only now being shared with the public.

The referral stated that McCabe “lacked candor” in four separate instances “when discussing the disclosure of information for a Wall Street Journal article about the FBI’s Clinton Foundation investigation,” according to CNN, which has a copy of the report.

 

The recommendation came just a week after a report from the Inspector General’s office in which Horowitz accused McCabe of leaking information to the media to “advance his personal interest.”

In last week’s report, Horowitz said that McCabe was not authorized to disclose that the investigation was taking place and that McCabe had misled former FBI Director James Comey into believing that he did not know who was responsible for authorizing the disclosure.

 

 

 


Well here we go again. Guess what was one of the things being pushed on FOX this evening. Yes you thinking people are correct. This subject.

I hope all realize this was the report used by the JD to fire McCabe over a month ago. The report was not even out then but what was coming in it was leaked, and the Trump enablers used it to try and kill the retirement earned by McCabe. The support article is not new, and it has been discussed by McCabe Boss at the time on TV as late as last evening. His boss at the time told us McCabe had the authority to discuss with the Media the subjects in this article. His boss said he wished he had talked to him first since that might have prevented all of this, but McCabe did nothing wrong in talking to the media. His boss also explained what lacked candor really means in JD speak. It is a catch all phrase and is used when nothing else fits what is a small problem. His boss does not think any action should or will be taken against McCabe.

So we have another red herring from the far right to divert us from the real stories of the day.

We hear tonight on TV that the AG told the WH that if Rod R is fired the AG will leave also. They say this is what slowed down or stopped Trump from firing R.R. last weekend.

What the far right gave us as big news tonight is just another step Trump takes us down the path Germany went in the 1930. Germany had Hitler. Lets hope the US wakes up and does not get its Dictator Trump.

Last note. How about Stormy lawyer now working with the FBI on the MC probe. They say that probe could easy take Trump down.


Reported by the Washington Post and CNN - neither works for Fox. The charges were brought be the DOJ Inspector General who does not work for Fox. And, to the best of my knowledge none of them are related to Germany of the '30s nor Hitler.

 

So ....... your point??


No questions from you is my point.   Look at the word reported.


I frankly cannot see where the word "reported" relates to the silliness about Germany, Fox and Hitler.


It is over your head.


Yes it is. Maybe you can help me understand the relationship you see between the word "reported' and the silliness about Germany, Fox, and Hitler.

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@rk9152wrote:

@john258wrote:

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@jimc91wrote:
BY:   Mike Ciandella
 

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has issued a criminal referral to the U.S. Attorney’s office regarding former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The referral was made “some time ago,” according to the Washington Post, but news of it is only now being shared with the public.

The referral stated that McCabe “lacked candor” in four separate instances “when discussing the disclosure of information for a Wall Street Journal article about the FBI’s Clinton Foundation investigation,” according to CNN, which has a copy of the report.

 

The recommendation came just a week after a report from the Inspector General’s office in which Horowitz accused McCabe of leaking information to the media to “advance his personal interest.”

In last week’s report, Horowitz said that McCabe was not authorized to disclose that the investigation was taking place and that McCabe had misled former FBI Director James Comey into believing that he did not know who was responsible for authorizing the disclosure.

 

 

 


Well here we go again. Guess what was one of the things being pushed on FOX this evening. Yes you thinking people are correct. This subject.

I hope all realize this was the report used by the JD to fire McCabe over a month ago. The report was not even out then but what was coming in it was leaked, and the Trump enablers used it to try and kill the retirement earned by McCabe. The support article is not new, and it has been discussed by McCabe Boss at the time on TV as late as last evening. His boss at the time told us McCabe had the authority to discuss with the Media the subjects in this article. His boss said he wished he had talked to him first since that might have prevented all of this, but McCabe did nothing wrong in talking to the media. His boss also explained what lacked candor really means in JD speak. It is a catch all phrase and is used when nothing else fits what is a small problem. His boss does not think any action should or will be taken against McCabe.

So we have another red herring from the far right to divert us from the real stories of the day.

We hear tonight on TV that the AG told the WH that if Rod R is fired the AG will leave also. They say this is what slowed down or stopped Trump from firing R.R. last weekend.

What the far right gave us as big news tonight is just another step Trump takes us down the path Germany went in the 1930. Germany had Hitler. Lets hope the US wakes up and does not get its Dictator Trump.

Last note. How about Stormy lawyer now working with the FBI on the MC probe. They say that probe could easy take Trump down.


Reported by the Washington Post and CNN - neither works for Fox. The charges were brought be the DOJ Inspector General who does not work for Fox. And, to the best of my knowledge none of them are related to Germany of the '30s nor Hitler.

 

So ....... your point??


No questions from you is my point.   Look at the word reported.


I frankly cannot see where the word "reported" relates to the silliness about Germany, Fox and Hitler.


It is over your head.

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Let me know when they have been at least charged as many of Trumps inner circle has been so far.  Because I've been hearing this for years now not months.  Obama, Hillary and everyone associated with them should be in jail.   According to the ones who are indicted at the moment. 

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@CriticalThinkingwrote:

Former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCable is planning to sue the Trump administration for defamation and wrongful termination, according to multiple media reports Friday.

McCabe’s lawyer Michael Bromwich told reporters that McCabe is also considering filing other civil claims.

 

He said the legal team hasn’t yet figured out when they’re going to file the lawsuits and is working on making them "solid."


Since the firing was at the recommendation of the DOJ Inspector General, suing the President is an interesting move.

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