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@afisher wrote:

    Quote from DT:  “I love the poorly educated,”

 

     Apparently some here seem to have missed the entire recent episode in which the racist followers of DT decided to reprogram the Microsoft TAY.   The entire process was documented in an article by the New Republic and the incident was carried out on 4Chan and 8Chan.   

   

     The RW here appear to be in a shoot the messenger mode.   Hilariously, they are aiming at the wrong target.  


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/29/microsoft-tay-tweets-antisemitic-racism

http://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-turned-microsoft-ai-teen-tay-into-horny-foul-mouthed-sex-bot-racist...

 

Possibly you can point out the "racist followers of DT" in the stories.

 

As always, the poster is "Hilariously, aiming at the wrong target".  

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@corb0505 wrote:

In fact, the headline on the article is:

 

"The GOP should stop fooling itself. Trump is reaching more than just undereducated, angry white men."


He sure is reaching more than just undereducated, angry white men.

 

He is reaching every form of racist throughout the United States.

 

He is inciting his followers to target specific groups of people be they Hispanic, Muslim, or any of the other groups at which he has directed his venom.

 

He is dangerous for the country, dangerous for the American Society, and dangerous for the world at large.

 

He does not possess the mettle needed to be a world leader. His understanding of the world is simplistic at best and total ignorance at worst.

 

He lacks character as evidenced by his treatment of women, his bankruptcies, and his boorishness.

 

He does not need to ever have access to the nuclear codes.

 

Those that feel he is a viable candidate to hold the office of President are either misinformed, unintelligent, or caught in the racist ferver directed at the various groups toward which Trump directs his hate.

 

If he is elected, we will eventually all have to outstretch our right arm and say, "Heil Trump".

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@nctarheel wrote:

Your overly lengthy post basically makes several important points:

 

(1) Trump's aggresive anti-immigration platform is this decade's overtly racist platform of the past.

(2) Trump's base is still the under-educated, under-employed white male.

(3) Trump's appeal to others outside of THAT demographic is of a racial nature as indicated by the districts in which he has done well. These are districts where Obama did poorly even when he won the election; and, you can guess why.

(4) Trump's appeal follows geographic areas that are rife with racial discord and immigrant distrust such as Appalachia, the Deep South, Oklahoma and such.

 

Trump is a modern day Hitler, playing to the base emotions of a ill-informed public.

 

He has set up a group to which he levels blame for the economy, terrorism, and crime just as Hitler did with the Jews in the 1930's.

 

He whips up the crowds coming to see him into a ferver so as to cause violent responses by his constituents against those in his targeted groups; just as Hitler did in the 1930's.

 

Face it, Trump is unfit to be anything in Public Service, especially President!

 


 

 

 

This is kind of "talk" is what turns on Trump's dumbo supporters.....Woman LOL

 

And they are the best words......GREAT words......I think BIG....very BIG....and I'm RICH.....very RICH.....I have LOTS of money.

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154145625654673&set=gm.965924933497350&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204468696156807&set=p.10204468696156807&type=3&theater

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Oceanflower, remember when Trump proclaimed Obama was born in Kenya? Check out the recent CNN poll at the bottom of this post.

 

"Donald Trump, the celebrity business tycoon once dismissed as a "carnival barker" by U.S. President Barack Obama, went on a full-fledged, multi-media tear on Tuesday, doubling down on his insistence that America's first black president was born in Kenya."

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-insists-obama-was-born-in-kenya-1.1221154

 

54% of Trump supporters believe Obama is a Muslim. Among Republicans nationwide, the poll showed, 43% of Republicans think Obama is Muslim,


 

 

 

 

 

Well, I like the way this "Muslim" worships. Why can't these right wing xenophobes STOP with their bigotry? Just take care of your own way of "worshipping" and leave this good, decent FAMILY man alone.........Woman Indifferent

 

President Obama and First Family Spend Easter Service at Historic Church in Virginia

 

http://www.people.com/article/obamas-easter-service-virginia

 

The Obamas Attend Easter Service at Historic Virginia Church

 

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@nctarheel wrote:

Your overly lengthy post basically makes several important points:

 

(1) Trump's aggresive anti-immigration platform is this decade's overtly racist platform of the past.

(2) Trump's base is still the under-educated, under-employed white male.

(3) Trump's appeal to others outside of THAT demographic is of a racial nature as indicated by the districts in which he has done well. These are districts where Obama did poorly even when he won the election; and, you can guess why.

(4) Trump's appeal follows geographic areas that are rife with racial discord and immigrant distrust such as Appalachia, the Deep South, Oklahoma and such.

 

Trump is a modern day Hitler, playing to the base emotions of a ill-informed public.

 

He has set up a group to which he levels blame for the economy, terrorism, and crime just as Hitler did with the Jews in the 1930's.

 

He whips up the crowds coming to see him into a ferver so as to cause violent responses by his constituents against those in his targeted groups; just as Hitler did in the 1930's.

 

Face it, Trump is unfit to be anything in Public Service, especially President!

 


I just don't know how else to say it.  I just don't know how you could possibly come up with what you say.  It has to be either fantasy or a reading comprehension problem.  In fact, the headline on the article is:

 

"The GOP should stop fooling itself. Trump is reaching more than just undereducated, angry white men."

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Your overly lengthy post basically makes several important points:

 

(1) Trump's aggresive anti-immigration platform is this decade's overtly racist platform of the past.

(2) Trump's base is still the under-educated, under-employed white male.

(3) Trump's appeal to others outside of THAT demographic is of a racial nature as indicated by the districts in which he has done well. These are districts where Obama did poorly even when he won the election; and, you can guess why.

(4) Trump's appeal follows geographic areas that are rife with racial discord and immigrant distrust such as Appalachia, the Deep South, Oklahoma and such.

 

Trump is a modern day Hitler, playing to the base emotions of a ill-informed public.

 

He has set up a group to which he levels blame for the economy, terrorism, and crime just as Hitler did with the Jews in the 1930's.

 

He whips up the crowds coming to see him into a ferver so as to cause violent responses by his constituents against those in his targeted groups; just as Hitler did in the 1930's.

 

Face it, Trump is unfit to be anything in Public Service, especially President!

 

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Projection, Dunning-Kruger, and blowhard posts - the trifecta!


No intelligence, no intellect, nothing to contribute, all of which adds up to a typical left winger.  Can't top that.  You win.

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@corb0505 wrote:

@nctarheel wrote:

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"Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm founded by veterans of President Barack Obama’s campaigns, built a model based on over 11,000 phone interviews with self-identified Republicans in 2015, part of a wider polling project. The data, first reported by The New York Times, shows Trump getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats, who in some states can still participate in GOP primaries."

 

The New York Times article that was mentioned was titled: "Donald Trump’s Strongest Supporters: A Certain Kind of Democrat"

 

Seems that for once you are probably right.  My guess is that it's actually that 43 percent of Trump voters who believe the photo is real.


Let's make clear the outcome of that article.

 

First,  you didn't make something very clear. The article said that this particular group of Democrats may be registered as Democrats but they IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS REPUBLICANS AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

 

Second, you failed to mention the article stated that Trump's geographic support follows a familiar pattern. It is similar to the map of the tendency toward RACISM based on measures like the frequency of Google searches for racial slurs and jokes.

 

So your point is that RACIST REPUBLICANS are voting for Donald Trump.

 

That's nothing new; everybody knew that already.


Once again, a reading comprehension problem undoubted ly caused by lack of quality education in NC, at least that's what the NC papers say.

 

I referenced a Politico article that mentioned the "data, first reported by The New York Times, shows Trump getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats" so I gave the title of the article even though it was written by a far, far left blogger who attempted to justify the numbers.

 

What I used were the raw Civis numbers, not the Times spin.  And the raw numbers say:  Trump is getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats

 

And by the way, Trump's demograhics show he is getting support across the board.

 

And "RACIST REPUBLICANS" is a left wing talking point that is only followed by the good little sheep who aren't intelligent enough to actually determine the facts for thmeselves.  The REAL facts are present in the thread' You may be a racist if...."

 

Can  I get a nice loud baaaaaaaaaaaaaa, from the Most Backward State.

 


The article that you used as your resource plainly says that these Democrats identify themselves as Republicans. The article also says that Trump's strongest geographic area is the area that is also strongest in racist tendencies. It was your article.

 

Now, on to something else.

 

It seems that you cannot respond to other posters here without personally attacking them. Just in your post above, you say I have a reading comprehension problem, I have an inadequate education, I am a sheep, and I am from the most backward state. Can you not engage in discourse like the others on these boards without attacking personally those that disagree with you?


As usual, either you don't know what you did, which makes it IGNORANCE, or you did it on purpose, which makes it a LIE. What I said AND YOU LEFT OUT, was "According to Politico:" So is it ignorance or are you lying? I also said, "I gave the (Times) title of the article even though it was written by a far, far left blogger who attempted to justify the numbers."

 

I used the raw numbers, which are correct.

 

Below is the entire article from Politico. Since it is a left wing rag, you shouldn't have a problem with bias. I'm certainly not a liberal but think it's bias is very slight. Feel free to pick out anything from it and try to make something out of it that it is not as you usually do.

 

The actual EVIDENCE proves that democrats are more racist than republicans. Calling republicans racist is only left wing spin and lies. When you do that, if you don't know the truth, IT'S IGNORANCE; if you do know the truth it's a LIE and you are only following the liberal elitist talking points, which makes you a sheep. Which is it?

 

Donald Trump’s big tent

 

The GOP should stop fooling itself. Trump is reaching more than just undereducated, angry white men.

 

By Scott Bland

 

Republicans explain away their unwelcome poll-leader by dismissing his supporters as a loud but narrow network of angry white men and celebrity chasers.

It’s not true. A POLITICO review of private and public polling data and interviews with GOP pollsters shows a coalition that certainly begins with conservative, blue-collar men now extends to pro-choice Republicans, independents and even registered Democrats unnerved, primarily, by illegal immigration.

Indeed, the uncomfortable truth, for the pundits and fellow Republicans who turned their noses up at Trump, is that his appeal has spread over seven months so far beyond a rabble-rousing, anti-establishment rump to encompass the very elements of the American electorate the GOP has been eager to reach. And while it’s no majority, it’s a bigger group than anything the rest of the fragmented Republican field has galvanized.

"His coalition is not all angry working white males," said Adrian Gray, a Republican pollster. "It’s all stripes. It’s a pretty big coalition. And among other demographics where he’s doing worse, he’s still leading or in the top two."

Certainly, non-college-educated men have formed his base. Every one of 10 recent Iowa, New Hampshire, and national polls of Republicans shows Trump with more male support than female support and significantly more support from non-college graduates than those with degrees.

Trump’s robust performance with this group, however, has deflected attention from the breadth of his coalition. Though Trump has less support with women and educated men, he’s still at or near the top of the GOP field in those categories. And, exposing the depth of the GOP establishment’s misunderstanding of Trump’s support network, his coalition includes far-right conservatives as well as people who hardly register on Republican radar.

Trump’s supporters skewed significantly against the GOP grain on abortion, for instance, in an internal poll of Iowa caucus-goers conducted for a rival presidential contender last summer. Respondents who identified themselves as "pro-choice" were three times more likely than "pro-life" voters to support Trump, according to a Republican strategist with knowledge of the survey.

One large dataset shows Trump excelling above all with voters who call themselves Republicans even though they aren’t officially registered as Republicans.

Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm founded by veterans of President Barack Obama’s campaigns, built a model based on over 11,000 phone interviews with self-identified Republicans in 2015, part of a wider polling project. The data, first reported by The New York Times, shows Trump getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats, who in some states can still participate in GOP primaries.

The Civis data projects Trump’s support by congressional district, showing that Trump is especially strong in the rare pockets of the country where Obama performed worse while winning the 2008 presidential election than John Kerry did while losing in 2004, according to a POLITICO analysis.

In the Civis’ model, Trump runs ahead of his 33-percent national average in 30 of the 40 districts where Kerry matched or exceeded Obama’s performance, even though Obama ran about 5 points ahead of Kerry nationally.

Those districts are largely contained in a band running through Appalachia, from Pennsylvania to Tennessee, and then across the Deep South to Arkansas and Oklahoma. Once Democratic strongholds, voters there have sloughed off the party in recent decades — a trend that accelerated rapidly under Obama. Now, Trump is giving a voice to some of their protectionist concerns about immigration and trade.

"Essentially, the old base of the Democratic Party, non-college whites in the Midwest and Appalachia, have been cut loose and are floating like an iceberg in the middle of the electorate," said one Republican strategist supporting another presidential candidate. "And they’ve glommed onto the Republicans because it’s a two-party system. But they have no affection for the Republican Party as an institution."

Now, they form a key piece of the Trump puzzle.

The pro-Trump crowd’s varied background is matched by equally diverse reasons for supporting him. But even though it has faded in intensity as an issue since Trump burst on the political scene this summer with an incendiary announcement speech, immigration is still driving a core base of voters into Trump’s camp.

In WBUR’s most recent poll of the New Hampshire primary, Trump’s favorability numbers jumped from 46 percent overall to 62 percent among those who said that illegal immigration posed a "major threat" to "you and people you know." While 27 percent of all respondents said they plan to vote for Trump in New Hampshire’s February primary, his support rose to 35 percent among the GOP voters most concerned about immigration.

In Iowa, where Cruz has caught or even surpassed Trump in many recent Republican caucus polls, Trump still maintained a double-digit lead over Cruz among "immigration voters" in the most recent Quinnipiac University survey there. Among everyone in the poll, though, the two were essentially tied (28 percent for Cruz to 27 percent for Trump).

"There’s a segment of the population, white working middle-aged men, that has felt three big changes in America — globalization, technology, and demographics — that are changing everything we do on a daily basis," said Gray. "In a lot of ways, this group has felt left behind by each of those."

But "even people above the median income feel insecure, sometimes financially insecure because of these changes," Gray continued. "That’s what builds the coalition beyond low-income and downscale."

Trump also runs particularly well with people looking for a "strong leader." While Cruz dominated among Quinnipiac poll respondents in Iowa who wanted a candidate who "shares your values," Trump got 40 percent of those looking for a strong leader. Fox News’ most recent Iowa poll showed Trump getting 39 percent of those voters, too.

Focus groups of GOP voters help explain how and why. One such exercise, conducted by Data Targeting, a GOP consulting firm in Florida, recently interviewed a uniformly downcast group of Republicans about the direction of the country and its government. Two gave replies of "stagnant" when asked to describe it. Other replies included "mess," "weak," and "bought."

The focus group illustrated how some typical political responses to government dysfunction have lost currency, opening a door into the presidential campaign that Trump barged through. When one participant said, "Democrats and Republicans need to work together," another immediately replied, "That’s my worst nightmare!" "They’re all puppets," another participant chimed in.

"Nearly every candidate running on the Republican side has made an effort to present themselves as not of Washington," said Jim Hobart, a Republican pollster. "No one has a more credible message on that than Donald Trump. When he says it, it’s really true. It’s tough to out-anti-Washington Donald Trump."

This makes for an uncomfortable truth for the GOP. But there’s enough discomfort to go around. For Trump’s camp, it’s unclear just how many of his supporters will actually cast a ballot for him — or anyone else — when caucuses and primaries finally begin next month.

Almost uniformly, GOP political professionals have discounted Trump’s chances of turning the full measure of his support into actual primary and caucus votes, and later delegates to the Republican National Convention. Public polls, they argue, are vastly oversampling nonvoters caught up in the mania surrounding Trump, distorting the picture of a more traditional Republican electorate that does not back him as heavily.

"It’s one thing to have support from people in all these different groups," said Mark Stephenson, a Republican data and analytics expert who was the chief data officer on Scott Walker’s presidential campaign. "It really is another thing to turn them into a Trump voter, or especially a Trump caucus-goer, on election night."

Trump’s most natural supporters are some of the people most disillusioned with politics. In the run-up to the 2014 elections, the Pew Research Center asked a broad group of Americans to rate their financial security on a sliding scale. As whites fall from the highest levels of financial security to the lowest levels, their support for Republican candidates plummeted from 51 percent to 21 percent. (Democrats’ support stayed constant around one-third.)

The remainder shifted almost fully into the "other/not sure" category, rather than moving into the Democratic column. Nearly all said they did not plan to vote that year. Trump’s candidacy may have activated a group of them, but converting them into voters remains difficult.

Meanwhile, the Civis Analytics data showing Trump at his strongest with registered voters who are not registered Republicans won’t be a barrier in every state primary, but it is a real obstacle nevertheless, starting in the first caucus state of Iowa. Only a small number of first-time participants usually join every four years, though Trump’s campaign is aiming to drive a generation of first-time caucus-goers and GOP primary voters into the process starting this February.

In a recent survey conducted for a different presidential campaign, Trump still ran ahead of Ted Cruz in Iowa — but only among voters who both could caucus in 2016 and have never actually shown up to one before. Past Republican caucus-goers, on the other hand, gave Cruz a solid first-place finish. One reason Trump’s polling lead in New Hampshire has proven more durable is that the state has an open primary system, instead of Iowa’s closed (and complicated) caucus.

Trump has been overcoming supposedly insurmountable obstacles since his presidential campaign began. But now that he has amassed these supporters, converting them from Trump fans into Trump voters may be the biggest one yet.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-supporters-big-tent-217481#ixzz44EUqdJkA

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@nctarheel wrote:

@corb0505 wrote:

 


"Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm founded by veterans of President Barack Obama’s campaigns, built a model based on over 11,000 phone interviews with self-identified Republicans in 2015, part of a wider polling project. The data, first reported by The New York Times, shows Trump getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats, who in some states can still participate in GOP primaries."

 

The New York Times article that was mentioned was titled: "Donald Trump’s Strongest Supporters: A Certain Kind of Democrat"

 

Seems that for once you are probably right.  My guess is that it's actually that 43 percent of Trump voters who believe the photo is real.


Let's make clear the outcome of that article.

 

First,  you didn't make something very clear. The article said that this particular group of Democrats may be registered as Democrats but they IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS REPUBLICANS AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

 

Second, you failed to mention the article stated that Trump's geographic support follows a familiar pattern. It is similar to the map of the tendency toward RACISM based on measures like the frequency of Google searches for racial slurs and jokes.

 

So your point is that RACIST REPUBLICANS are voting for Donald Trump.

 

That's nothing new; everybody knew that already.


Once again, a reading comprehension problem undoubted ly caused by lack of quality education in NC, at least that's what the NC papers say.

 

I referenced a Politico article that mentioned the "data, first reported by The New York Times, shows Trump getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats" so I gave the title of the article even though it was written by a far, far left blogger who attempted to justify the numbers.

 

What I used were the raw Civis numbers, not the Times spin.  And the raw numbers say:  Trump is getting the support of 29 percent of registered Republicans but 36 percent of registered independents and 43 percent of registered Democrats

 

And by the way, Trump's demograhics show he is getting support across the board.

 

And "RACIST REPUBLICANS" is a left wing talking point that is only followed by the good little sheep who aren't intelligent enough to actually determine the facts for thmeselves.  The REAL facts are present in the thread' You may be a racist if...."

 

Can  I get a nice loud baaaaaaaaaaaaaa, from the Most Backward State.

 


The article that you used as your resource plainly says that these Democrats identify themselves as Republicans. The article also says that Trump's strongest geographic area is the area that is also strongest in racist tendencies. It was your article.

 

Now, on to something else.

 

It seems that you cannot respond to other posters here without personally attacking them. Just in your post above, you say I have a reading comprehension problem, I have an inadequate education, I am a sheep, and I am from the most backward state. Can you not engage in discourse like the others on these boards without attacking personally those that disagree with you?

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