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Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?


That is my question too,   Why is it always 'shoot to kill'?


Cops are not told to "shoot to kill".  Instead they are taught that when using a handgun which has nowhere near the accuracy of a rifle, to shoot aiming at the torso (the biggest target).  If a policeman fears for his/her life, they want the person disabled as quick as possible to prevent harm to themselves.  The shoot his arm or leg is only fantasy on TV and movies.


Cops are trained to "shoot to stop", which for some reasons, like in the case of Philando Castille, seemed to mean shooting him SEVEN TIMES!!!  Or FIVE TIMES at point blank range in the St. Louis case, including one, six inches away from the victims head.

 

 


Yes and a person doesn't necessarily stop and fall instantly when shot so the policeman will shoot until they stop or keep shooting while the adrenalin is pumping.  Some don't stop even when the police empty their weapon in them.  Don't over analyze it, you weren't there and neither was I.  If you or I were there, we might have done the same thing in fear for our lives?

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The US is definitely an outlier regarding police-shooting prevalence.  To me, it's just another issue that demonstrates how uncivilized we are.  And just like poverty, healthcare or (most related) gun control, it's one that our European forebears seem to have a better handle on these days.

 

Our conditioning to this phenomenon was very clear a couple of weeks ago in reading a Facebook poster's comment to a European (I think English) police story.  Multiple police, without guns, were surrounding & taking control of a potentially violent suspect.  The poster, not realizing our outlier status, wondered why the police weren't using weapons.  To the poster, that was the normal thing to do!!!!!

 

Here's one article on the topic.  It's 2 years old but still relevant and has interesting comparisons between our police shooting-rates and other countries': https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries 

 

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

Cops Kill White Student With Multi-Purpose Tool

 

Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?


That is my question too,   Why is it always 'shoot to kill'?


Cops are not told to "shoot to kill".  Instead they are taught that when using a handgun which has nowhere near the accuracy of a rifle, to shoot aiming at the torso (the biggest target).  If a policeman fears for his/her life, they want the person disabled as quick as possible to prevent harm to themselves.  The shoot his arm or leg is only fantasy on TV and movies.


Cops are trained to "shoot to stop", which for some reasons, like in the case of Philando Castille, seemed to mean shooting him SEVEN TIMES!!!  Or FIVE TIMES at point blank range in the St. Louis case, including one, six inches away from the victims head.

 

 


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

Cops Kill White Student With Multi-Purpose Tool

 

Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?


That is my question too,   Why is it always 'shoot to kill'?


Cops are not told to "shoot to kill".  Instead they are taught that when using a handgun which has nowhere near the accuracy of a rifle, to shoot aiming at the torso (the biggest target).  If a policeman fears for his/her life, they want the person disabled as quick as possible to prevent harm to themselves.  The shoot his arm or leg is only fantasy on TV and movies.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

Cops Kill White Student With Multi-Purpose Tool

 

Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?


Absolutely, gruff.  That's been the point many have made for years.  Why not taze the person, or use other non-lethal means to subdue the obviously mentally ill person?

 

In several states, those with autism can obtain an ID card that transmits a signal to a law enforcement officer that an individual with special circumstances is nearby.  This alerts the police to the persons presence.....it's already prevented at least two potential incidents in the nine weeks it's been available.  I look forward to this program being more widely used to notify law enforcement they are dealing with a mental health issue, a diabetic that may be in crisis, or other health issue that doesn't threaten others....


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@gruffstuff wrote:

Cops Kill White Student With Multi-Purpose Tool

 

Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?


That is my question too,   Why is it always 'shoot to kill'?


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Cops Kill White Student With Multi-Purpose Tool

 

Why didn't the cops use non lethal force to subdue this student?

 

Even if they used guns, why didn't they shoot him in the foot or the leg?

 

Why is it always shoot to kill?

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Call about suspicious man was made by Georgia Tech student killed by police, investigators say

 

The call that led Georgia Tech campus police to respond to a man reportedly wielding a knife was made by the student who was later shot and killed by officers,  police investigators said Monday night.

That student, Scout Schultz, left three suicide notes behind in a dormitory room, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

 

The developments added further layers of complexity to the death of Schultz, a 21-year-old who led the university’s Pride Alliance and had a history of mental illness.

 

In the call to police Saturday night, Schultz described a suspicious person “as a white male, with long blond hair, white T-shirt & blue jeans who is possibly intoxicated, holding a knife and possibly armed with a gun on his hip,” according to a statement from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

 

Investigators said a multipurpose tool that contained a knife was recovered from the scene. The statement did not say whether the knife was displayed but said no firearms were recovered.

 

An attorney for Schultz’s family said in a statement Monday night the knife remained in its holder and Scout’s arms were at the student’s side.

 

“It’s tragic that as Scout was battling mental health issues that pushed them to the edge of desperation, their life was taken with a bullet rather than saved with non-lethal force,” said the statement from L. Chris Stewart, the Schultz family attorney.

 

The parents of Schultz said their child, who identified as neither male nor female, had suffered from anxiety and depression, and had spent time in counseling after attempting suicide by hanging two years ago.

 

But Scout’s death stunned Lynne and Bill Schultz, who described Scout as “a very loving and caring and empathetic person.”

 

Call about suspicious man was made by Georgia Tech student killed by police, investigators say


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