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The article is a great look at the difference between the 2 on what happened when they visited Iraq. So far no one picked up on a very important thing that happened when Trump was there. It is a back story that could change that part of the Middle East for the US, and hurt our troops. Read the last para as that could be a game changer.

Trump told the troops no plan to withdraw now, and we could use this as a base if we want to do something in Syria.

We can do nothing of a kind with out the approval of the Iraq Govt. We are in Iraq under an agreement reached a few years ago to send in troops to help train the Iraq Army (Kurds & Arab). Both parties agreed to a status of forces clause. (That means our Troop are covered by our laws not Iraq laws.) If you recall there was a delay in reaching the agreement due to Iraq not wanting that in it. There is an outline of what we can and can not do in it.

Trump did not visit the PM of Iraq, and there are now rumblings from members of the Iraq parliament to kick the Americans out of Iraq now by ending that agreement. As I posted about a week ago the Iraq PM has said Iraq was looking at sending its troops in to Syria to help Turkey control the Kurds which could cause civil war in Iraq. Now Trump is going to send our Troops in to Syria to defend the Kurds. That means we have the US fighting one one side, and Iraq on the other side. Do you think Iraq would allow us to send troops into Syria from its soil.

What you could see at its worst is a new war in the area. You would have Kurds in Syria, and Iraq, plus US on one side and Iraq, Syria, Iran (they are strong in Iraq now. We work with them which is another back story.) Turkey (NATO member), Russia on the other side. Does that sound like it could blow up to a very large war.

So Trump could have set the stage for one big war, and do not be surprised if Iraq tells us to get our troops out of their country.

Now you have what could happen as a result of Trump and his know nothing comments and insulting a host country to our troops.

As I have suggested on any story look for the back story buried in it as you will see some dots being connected and then be better informed to discuss the subject over time as things play out. This could play out over a month or 2 years. Time will tell.

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@Centristsin2010

Nice post! trump visits the troops finally, 

lies to them about giving them a pay raise, holds a campaign rally to rail against Democratics, fails to visit with the leaders of Iraq...about normal with this poor excuse of a president, and does not consult our military leaders about withdrawals...claims he knows more than our generals, when in effect he is the village idiot! Wonder if he will take responsibility for all of our Kurd allies that he is condemning to their deaths. 

 

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I think it was panjandrum, who brought up the fact that Trump was honest about being scared.

Trump did lie to the troops he spoke at. Obama always spoke to people never at them. Loved the part about the 10% raise.

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Der Trumper, who claims to be a great deal maker, has once again proven he's incapable of thinking more than about 4 words ahead of his mouth.

 

This idiot truly believes he can make up military deployments and disengagements "on the fly" and not endanger the troops involved or send conflicting and damaging signals to our allies while giving comfort to our foes.

 

Impeach him in 2019 to get the ball rolling, then indict, try, convict and JAIL him and his treasonous family in 2021 after he's lost the election.

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Cent,

Love the differences between Obama and Trump you brought up in your post.

Tom5678,

Love your post. I miss having a real President also.

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

Hs never going to do things as well as Obama did them. Obama actually cares about other humans — ones who can’t do a thing for him. 

 

But I’ll give Trump credit for going. Better than late than never. Better a bush league performance than a no-show. Baby steps....

 

He finally took someone's advice.....

 

He fired the Secretary of Defense.....he pulled out of Syria.....he's threatening to close the border which will hurt Americans far more than anyone else...he's shuttered the federal goverment......he's tanking in the polls......it's about time he took someone's advice.......


 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Hs never going to do things as well as Obama did them. Obama actually cares about other humans — ones who can’t do a thing for him. 

 

But I’ll give Trump credit for going. Better than late than never. Better a bush league performance than a no-show. Baby steps....

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Centrist you are on a roll buddy! I sure miss having a REAL President!! One not bought and basically paid for by Moscow.
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The stark contrast between Trump’s trip to Iraq and Obama’s 2009 visit

 

President Trump made his first visit to a conflict zone as commander in chief this week, visiting troops at al-Asad Air Base in western Iraq on Wednesday. The unannounced journey took place just days after he declared that he planned to remove U.S. troops from Syria and saw his own defense secretary resign in response.

 

In April 2009, Trump’s predecessor in the Oval Office, President Barack Obama, made his own trip to Iraq to visit U.S. military personnel. It was his first visit as commander in chief, though he had also visited Iraq in July 2008 as a U.S. senator while campaigning for president.

 

The contrast between the two trips is sometimes stark — not just because of the timing, but also because of the very different tone they put on display. This itself is a reflection of the different personalities of the two men as commanders in chief, as well as the dramatic changes that have taken place in the Middle East in the past nine years.

 

Despite frequent praise for the U.S. military and the appointment of military leaders to Cabinet positions, it took Trump almost half of his first term as president to visit U.S. soldiers in a conflict zone.

 

In contrast, Obama’s trip to Iraq took place less than three months after he was inaugurated. He would go on to visit another conflict zone, Afghanistan, twice in his second year in office. Obama’s own predecessor, President George W. Bush, had also visited Iraq less than a year after the U.S.-led invasion of the country began in March 2003.


Like Obama’s visit, Trump’s trip to Iraq was not announced publicly beforehand — a reflection of the security concerns that have not abated much between 2009 and now. Both visited U.S. troops in the country, with Obama meeting them inside a palace built by Saddam Hussein in Baghdad, while Trump visited an air base. Neither president spent more than a few hours inside Iraq.


However, Obama met with Iraq’s leader at the time, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, at Camp Victory while he was in Iraq. Trump did not meet Iraq’s current leader, Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi.

 

Iraqi lawmakers said there was a disagreement over whether to meet at the air base, as the U.S. side wished.

 

Some Iraqi politicians have criticized Trump’s visit to Iraq and described it as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty. “The U.S. occupation of Iraq is over,” Sabah al Saadi, the leader of the Islah parliamentary bloc, said in a statement.

 

Certainly, the Iraq that Trump is visiting is in a very different neighborhood than the one that Obama visited in 2009. In 2009, there were no U.S. troops in Syria to withdraw — indeed, that country had not yet started on the path of the civil war that has killed over half a million people since 2011.

 

Obama himself had not yet helped reach the nuclear deal between Iraq’s neighbor Iran and other world powers in 2015, while Saudi Arabia had not begun the complicated changes that were kicked off by King Abdullah’s death in 2015.


When Obama visited in 2009, the United States still had a huge military presence in Iraq itself:

There were roughly 157,800 U.S. military personnel in the country during the 2008 fiscal year.

 

During his visit, Obama reiterated his intention to remove all U.S. troops from the country.

 

“Under enormous strain and under enormous sacrifice, through controversy and difficulty and politics, you’ve kept your eyes focused on just doing your jobs,” Obama told the troops in 2009.

 

“You have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country.”

 

“They need to take responsibility for their country and for their sovereignty,” Obama said of the Iraqi government.

 

Obama followed through on his pledges in 2011, withdrawing U.S. soldiers from Iraq. However, U.S. troops returned in 2014 in response to a request from the Iraqi government to help in the fight against the Islamic State, an extremist group that had previously been called al-Qaeda in Iraq and was known as the Islamic State of Iraq when Obama visited in 2009.


The year after Obama visited Iraq, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was installed as its leader. He would go on to lead the extremist group to expand into Syria, eventually leading the United States to send troops to that country, where they have been working with local forces since 2015.

 

Last week, Trump announced that these soldiers would be coming home, as the Islamic State was defeated. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back, and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said in a video message on Twitter. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis announced his resignation soon afterward.

 

But as he visited Iraq on Wednesday, Trump had a very different message — again, a real contrast to Obama’s message nine years before — for the roughly 5,200 U.S. troops deployed in Iraq. The message was that this time, there was no immediate plan to withdraw U.S. soldiers from Iraq. “In fact, we could use this as the base if we wanted to do something in Syria,” the U.S. leader added.

 

more including video's at:  The stark contrast between Trump’s trip to Iraq and Obama’s 2009 visit


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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