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I wonder if th(sic) STRIB editorial Board considers prisons to be concentration camps. After all people re placed there and kept there as  result of their actions, much like the holding areas for the border crosssers(sic).


Wonder no more rk9152.   Webster:

 

Concentration Camp:   A guarded compound for the confinement of political prisoners, minorities, etc., especially any of the camps established by the Nazis for the containment and persecution of prisoners.  Applied originally to camps where noncombatants were confined during the Boer war.

 

So you see, it seems that your "prison" question is answered, no they are not concentration camps.        BUT, the camps established for the immigrants (minorities) fall under that definition.  Thanks for asking.


You are most welcome - they arr where they are based on their actions not based on (minorities).


No. They are where they are because of the incompetence of the Trump administration and its pervasive racism.  If these people had come over from Norway we would not have a single family in a camp of any kind. 


Typically you are thinking in racist terms and assigning your thinking to others.

 

When there are large numbers of people gaming the system that the Congress refuses to fix, they must be kept somewhere until their situation is resolved. Hence, a "concentration of people in a "place" not "camp"


Definition of "camp": a place with temporary accommodations of huts, tents, or other structures, typically used by soldiers, refugees, prisoners, or travelers.

 

Definition of "place": a particular position or point in space.

 

So rk's semantics would have you believe Bonespur's concentration camps are just like say Central Park, or the WhiteHouse Rose Garden or Trump Tower.

 

Another great reason all those representing such views have no place in the Government of a Democracy. We can no longer support having the inmates run the asylum.

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Bonespur's minions told a Federal Court not having soap, toothpaste or brushes, laundry service, showers or adequate bathroom facilities was perfectly acceptable long term accomodations for kidnapped children. GOPers agree. They did not discuss how such accomodations should cost taxpayers $750/kid/day, a situation that GOPers also find perfectly acceptable.

 

The solution is to get ALL the elected GOPers OUT and replace them with people who still have a soul.

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    The overt desire to distract from the reality of what is happening on the southern border of the US continues by those who lack the ability to be human and say that the action in inhumane.

    As one of the DEM candidates stated in the Dem Candidate debates, the religious right lost all their moral authority when they jumped into the Donald bus and said that separating families and placing those children in unsafe conditions was okay by them.   

 

     How many ignoble donald supporters here are part of the faux religious groups that have lost touch with their religiousity?    

 

      Those people who are attempting distractions are just plain sad pathetic people IMHO.    Seek cover by posting photos without knowing where they came from is a well know tactic by the far-right / white nationalists.

 

      Reminder, the topic was concentration camps and they have been used in the US government before WWII .    The point being is that the US is supposed to be a civilized nation then this action should be an assault to everyone's sense of right and wrong.    

   

      Sorry, RW / ignoble donald supporters, you may remain in your state of denial - but that does not change the facts of what the current WH regime is doing - and it is wrong and you should be incensed.    Why are you not incensed?      History:  https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/yes-theyre-concentration-camps-2/


I keep wondering where does the Racist Left Wingers get their BS.  Here is the CounterPunch Bias test:

 

CounterPunch - Left BiasLEFT BIAS

 

In otherwords same ole same ole....we'd expect no less from another Fake News Org.

"The media has one job, and they fail at it every day."


So tell us .............. do you accept and support the way these children are being treated under our care? Do you accept the living conditions they are in? If so, why?


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@afisher wrote:

    The overt desire to distract from the reality of what is happening on the southern border of the US continues by those who lack the ability to be human and say that the action in inhumane.

    As one of the DEM candidates stated in the Dem Candidate debates, the religious right lost all their moral authority when they jumped into the Donald bus and said that separating families and placing those children in unsafe conditions was okay by them.   

 

     How many ignoble donald supporters here are part of the faux religious groups that have lost touch with their religiousity?    

 

      Those people who are attempting distractions are just plain sad pathetic people IMHO.    Seek cover by posting photos without knowing where they came from is a well know tactic by the far-right / white nationalists.

 

      Reminder, the topic was concentration camps and they have been used in the US government before WWII .    The point being is that the US is supposed to be a civilized nation then this action should be an assault to everyone's sense of right and wrong.    

   

      Sorry, RW / ignoble donald supporters, you may remain in your state of denial - but that does not change the facts of what the current WH regime is doing - and it is wrong and you should be incensed.    Why are you not incensed?      History:  https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/yes-theyre-concentration-camps-2/


I keep wondering where does the Racist Left Wingers get their BS.  Here is the CounterPunch Bias test:

 

CounterPunch - Left BiasLEFT BIAS

 

In otherwords same ole same ole....we'd expect no less from another Fake News Org.

"The media has one job, and they fail at it every day."

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I hope all watched TV tonight as we saw more and more of what is happening at the border. We found out their is a web site made up of current and former broder patrol people and  what they are saying. This web site gives you the background of why they are acting the way they are.

Over a year ago I posted many times that the Border Patrol, and ICE were Dicator Trumps SS force, and what  they are doing on the border is what they will be doing to Americans if Trump becomes a full dicator. I know a lot of you said this could never happen. Well watch TV and everyone can see it happening. Not long from now you will not see people in the centers from out of country. You will see the People who oppose Dicator Trump in these same type of camps with the same guards doing things a lot worse than you saw on TV today. WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHAT PATH WE ARE ON . GERMANY IN THE 1930.

If we get to the place that we have a new President he/she will have to I think fire every member of these 2 group, and rebuild them with in the rule of law.  WORK TO GET RID OF TRUMP IN 2020

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    The overt desire to distract from the reality of what is happening on the southern border of the US continues by those who lack the ability to be human and say that the action in inhumane.

    As one of the DEM candidates stated in the Dem Candidate debates, the religious right lost all their moral authority when they jumped into the Donald bus and said that separating families and placing those children in unsafe conditions was okay by them.   

 

     How many ignoble donald supporters here are part of the faux religious groups that have lost touch with their religiousity?    

 

      Those people who are attempting distractions are just plain sad pathetic people IMHO.    Seek cover by posting photos without knowing where they came from is a well know tactic by the far-right / white nationalists.

 

      Reminder, the topic was concentration camps and they have been used in the US government before WWII .    The point being is that the US is supposed to be a civilized nation then this action should be an assault to everyone's sense of right and wrong.    

   

      Sorry, RW / ignoble donald supporters, you may remain in your state of denial - but that does not change the facts of what the current WH regime is doing - and it is wrong and you should be incensed.    Why are you not incensed?      History:  https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/yes-theyre-concentration-camps-2/


Imagine that... And to think just three or four weeks ago you guys on the left were telling us it was a manufactured crisis...  Hmm

 

 


The "crisis" was "manufactured" because trump had a good three months notice that the immigrants were coming and he did nothing to prepare for it by building facilities to handle the numbers and adding personnel to handle the numbers. trump was and continues to be incompetent.  Hmm


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   I am perpetually amuse that the ignoble donald supporters either can't or won't read.    Do they comprehend the words "by any other name", because thus far they are only complaining about the words:  concentration camp and what is actually happening on the South Texas border and due west.

 

    The leadership of that endeavor is now on it's 4 manager, because donald can't seem to find someone with zero integrity to run his hate fueled contempt for people seeking asylum and away from the violence in their home country, that was mostly fueled by US intervention against rulers of yore.    The US installed tyrants and now if punishing those same countries for not keeping their own autocracies controllled ( yep he cut funds that dould actually help? mitigate the people leaving). 

 

And I am constantly amused by the anti-ignobler's forgetting that discussion is made up of words - and words have meaning.

 

It is also amusing to see someone think it takes a lack of integrity to insure the integrity of our National borders


rk9152, you posted afisher's post shown above and offered no reply. Does that mean you agree with him?


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Funny how they weren't concentration camps when Obama was President but terminology changed when Trump got the title President.


Funny how trump supporters refuse to admit or acknowledge that the conditions now are horrible and they were nothing like today's when Obama was in office. No "terminology" change. just the conditions, the number of children who cannot be reconnected with their parents, and the number of people who have died under the trump's watch.


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The definition falls apart with " political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities". These are neither, they are people who entered the country without following proper procedures


Those confined don't have to be everything mentioned in the definition. being just one of the things listed makes the camps fit the definition. And in a big way, they are "political prisoners" and and also "persecuted minorities. They definitely are minorities, they are being persecuted by the conditions they are being confined in, and this serves a political purpose for  trump. His base is falling for that purpose.

 

Nice try though.


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   What was the age of the dictionary used to water down the definition of concentration camp?   Current definitions via Merriam-Webster is : a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

 

     Such laziness is expected when the sole purpose is distraction from reality.  



The dictionary I used was a 1992 Random House Webster's College Dictionary, admittedly a little aged and some definitions are a bit simplified
I thought it would provide simpler definitions that even trump supporters could understand. Under it's definition, the camps provided to the immigrants and immigrant children truly are concentration style encampments. I do have other dictionaries with expanded definitions like the one you provided. The encampments also fit the definition that you provided.  No matter how many appropriate definitions are provided, trump supporters will never admit to them.


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