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the baker has as many rights under the Constitution as the couple who wanted him to design a cake that would violate his religious beliefs.  The posts against him continually ignores that his rights by insisting that the couple's rights override his. 

Nope - never posted anything of the sort.

 

He is entitled to his quaint beliefs - no matter how outre they may be...


 

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I think we pretty much settled that with lunch counter sit-ins in the sixties. If you won't serve blacks, Jews, gays, women, Mexicans, Arabs, people without legs or arms, you need to close your shop to make room for someone who will.


That has nothing to do with this discussion which is based on the first amendment freedom of religion and the exercise of it. 

 

 

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So what of native born American Citizens who do not have any religious belief, and are of the opinion that religious belief is completely unnecessary?

 

 


Most of your post has nothing to do with the fact that the baker has as many rights under the Constitution as the couple who wanted him to design a cake that would violate his religious beliefs.  The posts against him continually ignores that his rights by insisting that the couple's rights override his. 

 

There is no reason that the couple couldn't respect his rights by going to another baker who would acquiesce to their request.  It is interesting that liberals insist on civil rights of others.... as long as they are in line with their philosophy.  Religious beliefs don't fit into that area.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Depends on your definition of the word "rights". There is no right to refuse service to one group if you are offering your services to the public. The bakers have every right to get out of the business if they don't like the rules or if they interfere with their religious beliefs. They do NOT have the right to pick and chose their customers based on anything other than individual actions. 


So the answer is still 'get out of Dodge' unless you play by my rules?  An individual's right to religious expression is forfeit if they decide to go into business?  A person is expected to lose their constitutional rights when doing so?  Isn't that what a totalitarian regime would demand?

 

What it basically boils down to is that the couple demanding a cake is considered to have more rights than the Christian baker wanting to maintain his religious beliefs.  No individual freedoms is allowed.

 

 


I think we pretty much settled that with lunch counter sit-ins in the sixties. If you won't serve blacks, Jews, gays, women, Mexicans, Arabs, people without legs or arms, you need to close your shop to make room for someone who will. 

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@Richva wrote:


Depends on your definition of the word "rights". There is no right to refuse service to one group if you are offering your services to the public. The bakers have every right to get out of the business if they don't like the rules or if they interfere with their religious beliefs. They do NOT have the right to pick and chose their customers based on anything other than individual actions. 


So the answer is still 'get out of Dodge' unless you play by my rules?  An individual's right to religious expression is forfeit if they decide to go into business?  A person is expected to lose their constitutional rights when doing so?  Isn't that what a totalitarian regime would demand?

 

What it basically boils down to is that the couple demanding a cake is considered to have more rights than the Christian baker wanting to maintain his religious beliefs.  No individual freedoms is allowed.

 

 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


It is true. Us lefties do hate to see the rights of our citizens ignored at the altar of the religious right.  I was asked a while back if I did not like America, why didn't I leave.  Couldn't the bakers just move to Rome?  Or better still, Nigeria where religion is a real life or death situation?


Does the rights of one group take precedence over others?  Does not the baker have the same rights as those who condemn him?  The baker is also an American citizen.


So what of native born American Citizens who do not have any religious belief, and are of the opinion that religious belief is completely unnecessary?

 

Aren't they as fully and completely American Citizens as those with a belief system?

Answer - they certainly are.

 

The Baker can lawfully and Constitutionally be mocked, ridiculed, and made light of - just as he is lawfully and Constitutionally permitted to reciprocate - or not - his option...

Doing that does not keep him from his constitutional right to believe and worship as he sees fit any more or less than mocking and ridiculing someone for their having a favorite sports team would keep them from their fandom...

 

Because one has a religious belief does not automatically make one's belief sacrosanct and exempt from criticism any more than one's socio-political leanings would be exempt from criticism.

 

Remember - one can be sworn into office or sworn as a witness in court as readily on a comic book or a pornographic book as the bible - or swear upon nothing at all - and the oath is every bit as binding.

 

Pew poll: 20% of Christians don’t believe in the God of the Bible - Vox

 

Extract from Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 10 Aug. 1787 [Quote] | Jefferson Quotes & Family Letter...

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


It is true. Us lefties do hate to see the rights of our citizens ignored at the altar of the religious right.  I was asked a while back if I did not like America, why didn't I leave.  Couldn't the bakers just move to Rome?  Or better still, Nigeria where religion is a real life or death situation?


Does the rights of one group take precedence over others?  Does not the baker have the same rights as those who condemn him?  The baker is also an American citizen.


Depends on your definition of the word "rights". There is no right to refuse service to one group if you are offering your services to the public. The bakers have every right to get out of the business if they don't like the rules or if they interfere with their religious beliefs. They do NOT have the right to pick and chose their customers based on anything other than individual actions. 

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@Richva wrote:


It is true. Us lefties do hate to see the rights of our citizens ignored at the altar of the religious right.  I was asked a while back if I did not like America, why didn't I leave.  Couldn't the bakers just move to Rome?  Or better still, Nigeria where religion is a real life or death situation?


Does the rights of one group take precedence over others?  Does not the baker have the same rights as those who condemn him?  The baker is also an American citizen.

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@rk9152 wrote:

This seems to be a case of personal preference - where did you find "hatred" and "dung"?
It seems more like an expression of the feelings of the hate-filled left being posted here.

It is true. Us lefties do hate to see the rights of our citizens ignored at the altar of the religious right.  I was asked a while back if I did not like America, why didn't I leave.  Couldn't the bakers just move to Rome?  Or better still, Nigeria where religion is a real life or death situation?

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Colorado and the baker were in a Mexican Standoff - both had suits against each other that would be both protracted and very expensive - and in the long run meaningless...

 

Both mutually agreed to drop their suits.

 

End of story.

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