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even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?


Did you ignore 90% of the content in the article within the URL that Mickstuder posted?


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@mickstuder wrote:

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@mickstuder wrote:

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even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?

 

 


 


Actually I'm for something the GOP used to support & defend before they decided to become members of a Cult led by Trump who only support & defend whatever Trump wants them to0

 

I support the Rule of Law

 

Like now - how the GOP in the Seante is refusing to honor the Oath they took to defend the US and enforce the US Constituiton

 

This is not a example of the US Rule of Law

 

"I don't think it would be beyond anybody's imagination that police might want to have a friendly correspondence with right-wing organizations to collect information.

 

However, it crosses a line when you're tipping off those organizers to when new leftist organizations are being formed, to where leftist protesters are or how its members can avoid arrest,"

 

In one text exchange from December 2017, Niiya asked Gibson about one of his members, Tusitala Toese, who had been involved in fights at rallies and had a warrant out for his arrest on a disorderly conduct charge.

 

Niiya told Gibson that officers ignored the warrant at a previous demonstration, but to make sure that Toese didn't do anything at the next one "which may draw our attention," according to the Willamette Week.

 

"If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him," Niiya wrote. "I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

 

Perhaps you don't understand the Rule of Law - A Arrest Warrant is not Discretionary - well unles your White and alligned Politically with the Local Police

 

 

Many colorful words and much truth but overlooked is: "Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?"



Police are sworn to uphold the law - serve their community by keeping the peace - protesting is a Constitutionaly Protected Right - there is typically a Police Presence at most Political Rallys & certainly where there is known animosity and the potential for violence

 

The Police are prohibited from taking sides based on their Political preferences

 

The typical response then is to keep the opposing sides - seperated - not to act as Private Security for one side over the other

 

People committing unlawful acts or inciting violence on either side should be arrested

 

So NO - I rarely witness a situation where honest uncorrupted Police make any distinctions other than who is breaking the law

 

Certainly there is no confidential information passed from the Police to Protestors to allow one side to - set up the other side to obstruct justice

 

For some reason Trump Supporters think collusion & obstruction of justice by our Government Officials is now precedent

 

Agreed, the police should be politically neutral. However, if one group is having a peaceful demonstration or rally and another group attacks them, I would fully expect the police to side with the first group regardless of the politics involved.

 

Being a non-collectivist, I cannot speak for "Trump Supporters" - that is MY view. Do you care to react to MY view.

 

 


 


I cannot speak to Hypotheticals.........................

 

Let me try to firm it up a bit for you.

 

If PATRIOT PRAYER is having a rally and ANTIFA decides to stop it - which side would you expect the police to intercede on?


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even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?


Did you ignore 90% of the content in the article within the URL that Mickstuder posted?


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    While white folks can attempt to make the claim that colluding with the Alt-Right is good, would that same POV hold if they collutded with a member of the antifada?

     TIL that the "yellow-jackets" are just another permutation of the ALT-Right....just renamed by Bannon in EU / France.    Long suspected, but now proven when they were arrested in UK for violence to force Brexit now that the PM has failed.  


If I am one of those "white folks" you refer to, you obviously missed my point. It was not about "collutding" with anyone. The point was that us "white folks" think it appropriate for the police to assist the attackees, not the attackers.

 

But oh my and sigh - how did race get into this? It seems like to the left everything is about race. I wonder what race they see antifa.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?

 

 


 


Actually I'm for something the GOP used to support & defend before they decided to become members of a Cult led by Trump who only support & defend whatever Trump wants them to0

 

I support the Rule of Law

 

Like now - how the GOP in the Seante is refusing to honor the Oath they took to defend the US and enforce the US Constituiton

 

This is not a example of the US Rule of Law

 

"I don't think it would be beyond anybody's imagination that police might want to have a friendly correspondence with right-wing organizations to collect information.

 

However, it crosses a line when you're tipping off those organizers to when new leftist organizations are being formed, to where leftist protesters are or how its members can avoid arrest,"

 

In one text exchange from December 2017, Niiya asked Gibson about one of his members, Tusitala Toese, who had been involved in fights at rallies and had a warrant out for his arrest on a disorderly conduct charge.

 

Niiya told Gibson that officers ignored the warrant at a previous demonstration, but to make sure that Toese didn't do anything at the next one "which may draw our attention," according to the Willamette Week.

 

"If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him," Niiya wrote. "I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

 

Perhaps you don't understand the Rule of Law - A Arrest Warrant is not Discretionary - well unles your White and alligned Politically with the Local Police

 

 

Many colorful words and much truth but overlooked is: "Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?"



Police are sworn to uphold the law - serve their community by keeping the peace - protesting is a Constitutionaly Protected Right - there is typically a Police Presence at most Political Rallys & certainly where there is known animosity and the potential for violence

 

The Police are prohibited from taking sides based on their Political preferences

 

The typical response then is to keep the opposing sides - seperated - not to act as Private Security for one side over the other

 

People committing unlawful acts or inciting violence on either side should be arrested

 

So NO - I rarely witness a situation where honest uncorrupted Police make any distinctions other than who is breaking the law

 

Certainly there is no confidential information passed from the Police to Protestors to allow one side to - set up the other side to obstruct justice

 

For some reason Trump Supporters think collusion & obstruction of justice by our Government Officials is now precedent

 

Agreed, the police should be politically neutral. However, if one group is having a peaceful demonstration or rally and another group attacks them, I would fully expect the police to side with the first group regardless of the politics involved.

 

Being a non-collectivist, I cannot speak for "Trump Supporters" - that is MY view. Do you care to react to MY view.

 

 


Your socio-political bias has distorted your view.

 

The police do not "side" with any group.

 

They separate groups when necessary and arrest those breaking the law.

 

However, it appears that the Portland police and Portland non-collectivist right wingers are colluding/conspiring to violate the law...


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?

 

 


 


Actually I'm for something the GOP used to support & defend before they decided to become members of a Cult led by Trump who only support & defend whatever Trump wants them to0

 

I support the Rule of Law

 

Like now - how the GOP in the Seante is refusing to honor the Oath they took to defend the US and enforce the US Constituiton

 

This is not a example of the US Rule of Law

 

"I don't think it would be beyond anybody's imagination that police might want to have a friendly correspondence with right-wing organizations to collect information.

 

However, it crosses a line when you're tipping off those organizers to when new leftist organizations are being formed, to where leftist protesters are or how its members can avoid arrest,"

 

In one text exchange from December 2017, Niiya asked Gibson about one of his members, Tusitala Toese, who had been involved in fights at rallies and had a warrant out for his arrest on a disorderly conduct charge.

 

Niiya told Gibson that officers ignored the warrant at a previous demonstration, but to make sure that Toese didn't do anything at the next one "which may draw our attention," according to the Willamette Week.

 

"If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him," Niiya wrote. "I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

 

Perhaps you don't understand the Rule of Law - A Arrest Warrant is not Discretionary - well unles your White and alligned Politically with the Local Police

 

 

Many colorful words and much truth but overlooked is: "Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?"



Police are sworn to uphold the law - serve their community by keeping the peace - protesting is a Constitutionaly Protected Right - there is typically a Police Presence at most Political Rallys & certainly where there is known animosity and the potential for violence

 

The Police are prohibited from taking sides based on their Political preferences

 

The typical response then is to keep the opposing sides - seperated - not to act as Private Security for one side over the other

 

People committing unlawful acts or inciting violence on either side should be arrested

 

So NO - I rarely witness a situation where honest uncorrupted Police make any distinctions other than who is breaking the law

 

Certainly there is no confidential information passed from the Police to Protestors to allow one side to - set up the other side to obstruct justice

 

For some reason Trump Supporters think collusion & obstruction of justice by our Government Officials is now precedent

 

Agreed, the police should be politically neutral. However, if one group is having a peaceful demonstration or rally and another group attacks them, I would fully expect the police to side with the first group regardless of the politics involved.

 

Being a non-collectivist, I cannot speak for "Trump Supporters" - that is MY view. Do you care to react to MY view.

 

 


 


I cannot speak to Hypotheticals.........................

 

 

 

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    While white folks can attempt to make the claim that colluding with the Alt-Right is good, would that same POV hold if they collutded with a member of the antifada?

     TIL that the "yellow-jackets" are just another permutation of the ALT-Right....just renamed by Bannon in EU / France.    Long suspected, but now proven when they were arrested in UK for violence to force Brexit now that the PM has failed.  

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@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?

 

 


 


Actually I'm for something the GOP used to support & defend before they decided to become members of a Cult led by Trump who only support & defend whatever Trump wants them to0

 

I support the Rule of Law

 

Like now - how the GOP in the Seante is refusing to honor the Oath they took to defend the US and enforce the US Constituiton

 

This is not a example of the US Rule of Law

 

"I don't think it would be beyond anybody's imagination that police might want to have a friendly correspondence with right-wing organizations to collect information.

 

However, it crosses a line when you're tipping off those organizers to when new leftist organizations are being formed, to where leftist protesters are or how its members can avoid arrest,"

 

In one text exchange from December 2017, Niiya asked Gibson about one of his members, Tusitala Toese, who had been involved in fights at rallies and had a warrant out for his arrest on a disorderly conduct charge.

 

Niiya told Gibson that officers ignored the warrant at a previous demonstration, but to make sure that Toese didn't do anything at the next one "which may draw our attention," according to the Willamette Week.

 

"If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him," Niiya wrote. "I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

 

Perhaps you don't understand the Rule of Law - A Arrest Warrant is not Discretionary - well unles your White and alligned Politically with the Local Police

 

 

Many colorful words and much truth but overlooked is: "Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?"



Police are sworn to uphold the law - serve their community by keeping the peace - protesting is a Constitutionaly Protected Right - there is typically a Police Presence at most Political Rallys & certainly where there is known animosity and the potential for violence

 

The Police are prohibited from taking sides based on their Political preferences

 

The typical response then is to keep the opposing sides - seperated - not to act as Private Security for one side over the other

 

People committing unlawful acts or inciting violence on either side should be arrested

 

So NO - I rarely witness a situation where honest uncorrupted Police make any distinctions other than who is breaking the law

 

Certainly there is no confidential information passed from the Police to Protestors to allow one side to - set up the other side to obstruct justice

 

For some reason Trump Supporters think collusion & obstruction of justice by our Government Officials is now precedent

 

Agreed, the police should be politically neutral. However, if one group is having a peaceful demonstration or rally and another group attacks them, I would fully expect the police to side with the first group regardless of the politics involved.

 

Being a non-collectivist, I cannot speak for "Trump Supporters" - that is MY view. Do you care to react to MY view.

 

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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even though they have been involved in violent clashes with antifascist protesters.

 

Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?

 

 


 


Actually I'm for something the GOP used to support & defend before they decided to become members of a Cult led by Trump who only support & defend whatever Trump wants them to0

 

I support the Rule of Law

 

Like now - how the GOP in the Seante is refusing to honor the Oath they took to defend the US and enforce the US Constituiton

 

This is not a example of the US Rule of Law

 

"I don't think it would be beyond anybody's imagination that police might want to have a friendly correspondence with right-wing organizations to collect information.

 

However, it crosses a line when you're tipping off those organizers to when new leftist organizations are being formed, to where leftist protesters are or how its members can avoid arrest,"

 

In one text exchange from December 2017, Niiya asked Gibson about one of his members, Tusitala Toese, who had been involved in fights at rallies and had a warrant out for his arrest on a disorderly conduct charge.

 

Niiya told Gibson that officers ignored the warrant at a previous demonstration, but to make sure that Toese didn't do anything at the next one "which may draw our attention," according to the Willamette Week.

 

"If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him," Niiya wrote. "I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

 

Perhaps you don't understand the Rule of Law - A Arrest Warrant is not Discretionary - well unles your White and alligned Politically with the Local Police

 

 

Many colorful words and much truth but overlooked is: "Do you see a distinction between someone holding a rally and someone attempting to disrupt the rally? In that case would the police not attempt first to protect the attackees from the attackers?"



Police are sworn to uphold the law - serve their community by keeping the peace - protesting is a Constitutionaly Protected Right - there is typically a Police Presence at most Political Rallys & certainly where there is known animosity and the potential for violence

 

The Police are prohibited from taking sides based on their Political preferences

 

The typical response then is to keep the opposing sides - seperated - not to act as Private Security for one side over the other

 

People committing unlawful acts or inciting violence on either side should be arrested

 

So NO - I rarely witness a situation where honest uncorrupted Police make any distinctions other than who is breaking the law

 

Certainly there is no confidential information passed from the Police to Protestors to allow one side to - set up the other side to obstruct justice

 

For some reason Trump Supporters think collusion & obstruction of justice by our Government Officials is now precedent

 

 

 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

Are you suggesting the police treat whites differently than blacks?  Interesting. ....


Again the left sees the world through their prism of racism. The "other side" in this case wears black - that is not racial.

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