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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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elliotstamler wrote:

I would liked to add an additional point to my above comment based on my knowledge of law although I am not myself an attorney.  Please note in my comment regarding the voluntary offering of "valuable consideration" by a man in a situation like that of Trump with Daniels.

It's been reported that Pres. Trump, according to Ms. Daniels, did "offer" to put her on The Apprentice, his tv show and she said while that would be wonderful she didn't think NBC would allow it due to her occupation. (Trump went on to boast to her that he could fix it, etc.)  She subsequently found, not to her or anyone's surprise, that neither that nor another other promise, was fulfilled.

The prostitution laws of most states do not specify that ONLY money must be offered...they usually also include any other "valuable consideration."  So--is an offer by Mr. Trump of a place on his t.v. show with whatever monetary and other benefits might have thereafter accrued to Ms. Daniels, valuable consideration such that it was a sufficient solicitation by him to have made him subject to being charged with solicitation of prostitution?

Ah - this is why I sometimes wish I decided after one year of law school more than 55 years ago that nah, I'd rather take an Ivy League MBA instead and so transferred.  If any attorneys are reading this I'd so enjoy your take on this hypothetical I've posed.


Direct your inquiry to nerdymom!

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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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elliotstamler wrote:

I would liked to add an additional point to my above comment based on my knowledge of law although I am not myself an attorney.  Please note in my comment regarding the voluntary offering of "valuable consideration" by a man in a situation like that of Trump with Daniels.

It's been reported that Pres. Trump, according to Ms. Daniels, did "offer" to put her on The Apprentice, his tv show and she said while that would be wonderful she didn't think NBC would allow it due to her occupation. (Trump went on to boast to her that he could fix it, etc.)  She subsequently found, not to her or anyone's surprise, that neither that nor another other promise, was fulfilled.

The prostitution laws of most states do not specify that ONLY money must be offered...they usually also include any other "valuable consideration."  So--is an offer by Mr. Trump of a place on his t.v. show with whatever monetary and other benefits might have thereafter accrued to Ms. Daniels, valuable consideration such that it was a sufficient solicitation by him to have made him subject to being charged with solicitation of prostitution?

Ah - this is why I sometimes wish I decided after one year of law school more than 55 years ago that nah, I'd rather take an Ivy League MBA instead and so transferred.  If any attorneys are reading this I'd so enjoy your take on this hypothetical I've posed.


It should be considered that Roy Cohn represented McCarthy (who lied and hid the fact that he was a morphine addict ) - until Cohn's association with G.David Schine which included rumors of and allegations of a gay relationship with Schine forced his resignation from McCarthy's staff - Cohn then spent a number of years representing, among others, numerous prominent Mafia figures which resulted in his being widely referred to as a "Mafia Fixer" prior to representing daddy trump and his son - it's believed that reputation may have influenced the trumps to hire him...

 

Trump learned most of his legal strategy from Mafia Fixer Cohn - who was eventually permanently disbarred.  

It's significant to recognize that it wasn't that Cohn was homosexual - he unquestionably was - but that he had always lied about it.   He was diagnosed with AIDS - hid it - but medically is recorded as having died of AIDS related conditions.

 

Trump may have solicited Stormy Daniels?  

Given the history of his life - that appears to be rather likely.

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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williamb39198 wrote:

@alferdpacker

@phyllisc6781

@nctarheel

@myexper

@bkohatl

A comment on something that I heard earlier today. I know what I think and intuitively feel, but this an area that others may be more familiar with. 

The evangelical community proclaims to follow the scriptures, claim to be on a high moral plain, and proclaim indignation when others do not lead a moral life. 

Now we have evangelists giving trump a mulligan, or granting “forgiveness” for his lack of moral behavior. But, if forgiveness is asked for or granted, doesn’t one have to confess to their immoral behavior or actions first? I do not recall anytime that trump has admitted to his actions, apologized, or confessed. If this is the case, how can they forgive him? So, are the evangelists:

Speaking for God?

Speaking as people with morality?

Just threw their moral code out the window?

Overlapped church and state? 

Willing to look past trump’s actions because he gives them what they seek?

Have put party over country and God?

 

Input will be appreciated!


I believe Donald Trump to be the ANTI-CHRIST or "THE MAN OF SIN" and these supposed "MEN OF GOD" or EVANGELICALS are his disciples.

 

The ANTI-CHRIST or DONALD J. TRUMP as he is known today was prophesied to perform the following activities and so far, DONALD J. TRUMP is batting 100%.

 

The ANTI-CHRIST will destroy freedom of conscience, persecute people, disrespect government yet use it to further his cause, take from the poor and give to himself, and finally, break God's Commandments.

 

 

 

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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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I would liked to add an additional point to my above comment based on my knowledge of law although I am not myself an attorney.  Please note in my comment regarding the voluntary offering of "valuable consideration" by a man in a situation like that of Trump with Daniels.

It's been reported that Pres. Trump, according to Ms. Daniels, did "offer" to put her on The Apprentice, his tv show and she said while that would be wonderful she didn't think NBC would allow it due to her occupation. (Trump went on to boast to her that he could fix it, etc.)  She subsequently found, not to her or anyone's surprise, that neither that nor another other promise, was fulfilled.

The prostitution laws of most states do not specify that ONLY money must be offered...they usually also include any other "valuable consideration."  So--is an offer by Mr. Trump of a place on his t.v. show with whatever monetary and other benefits might have thereafter accrued to Ms. Daniels, valuable consideration such that it was a sufficient solicitation by him to have made him subject to being charged with solicitation of prostitution?

Ah - this is why I sometimes wish I decided after one year of law school more than 55 years ago that nah, I'd rather take an Ivy League MBA instead and so transferred.  If any attorneys are reading this I'd so enjoy your take on this hypothetical I've posed.

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You raise an interesting point.  Ms. Daniels did not take money, according to press stories, for her sexual activities with Pres. Trump at least insofar as the INITIAL one.  I've not read anything  dispositive as to whether in what appears to have been an occasional year-long affair, she subsequently took money.  There is also the interesting ancillary point that in such a relationship the woman might not charge for money but the man might OFFER money or other valuable consideration as a gift.  It happens and happens a lot amongst wealthy people.

In Calif. a long time ago the state Supreme Court ruled adult performers in pornographic videos were not violating the state's prostitution law.  Whether one agrees with this as a matter of definition of prostitution rather than of law, is a subjective, individual opinion.

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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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In a related story, From her interview, it seems that Stormy came out of the bedroom one day to find Trump binge watching "Shark Week".  He told her he was terrified of sharks and would never donate any money (or promise to donate money) to any conservation organization that helps sharks. 

 

So.......hundreds of people are now making donations to shark conservation organizations in Trump's name. 

 

 

 

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/news/20180128/cape-shark-research-group-sees-bump-in-donations-in-tru...

Or read the full interview. 

 

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/stormy-daniels-full-interview-151788

 

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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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williamb39198 wrote:

@alferdpacker

@phyllisc6781

@nctarheel

@myexper

@bkohatl

A comment on something that I heard earlier today. I know what I think and intuitively feel, but this an area that others may be more familiar with. 

The evangelical community proclaims to follow the scriptures, claim to be on a high moral plain, and proclaim indignation when others do not lead a moral life. 

Now we have evangelists giving trump a mulligan, or granting “forgiveness” for his lack of moral behavior. But, if forgiveness is asked for or granted, doesn’t one have to confess to their immoral behavior or actions first? I do not recall anytime that trump has admitted to his actions, apologized, or confessed. If this is the case, how can they forgive him? So, are the evangelists:  (Religious Right)

Speaking for God?

No .... they only speak for what's in the interest of what they'd like to believe!

 

 

Speaking as people with morality?

No .... they have no concept of "morality" .... as exhibited by their support of child predators and sexual deviates!

 

Just threw their moral code out the window?

They never had a "moral code"!

 

Overlapped church and state? 

Not "overlapped" ..... they've insisted that THEIR church is ABOVE the state!

 

Willing to look past trump’s actions because he gives them what they seek?

Not only Trump's .... but ANY Republican's as exhibited by their support of a child molesting sexual deviate Roy Moore!

 

 

Have put party over country and God?

Their standard operating procedure .... that's why Republicans pander to them!

 

Input will be appreciated!

No problem!


 

DUMP TRUMP AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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Re: CHRISTIANS AND SEX WITH A PORN STAR

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phyllisc6781 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

 


mandm84 wrote:

Far out remark from a Far out guy. I mean that in a cool way Alferd !!!


You are absolutely correct.  Contumacious curmudgeonry - that's me...

 


 And, as you know AP, you are exceedingly good at being a little curmedgeon!  But, it’s why we all love you! 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


Gotta play to my strengths...      Thank you sincerely!

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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alferdpacker wrote:

 


mandm84 wrote:

Far out remark from a Far out guy. I mean that in a cool way Alferd !!!


You are absolutely correct.  Contumacious curmudgeonry - that's me...

 


 And, as you know AP, you are exceedingly good at being a little curmedgeon!  But, it’s why we all love you! 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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williamb39198 wrote:

@phyllisc6781

Thank you for your follow up. I think that perhaps you can spot fakers and liars from a mile away. Along with those who pretend that they are close to God and seek money and profit in his or her name. Perhaps they need a good confessional?!

 

the truth is out there


 I am afraid that the person taking the confessions would have to have very strong stomachs and have a tremendous amount of forgiveness.  I have seen Christians act in  very unChristian like ways before, but this time around I have seen a new low with regard to  these pseudo Christians. 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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