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There ya go again, jim - Fox. And you got the predictable responses - "hey, look over there", big red letters, and a childish cartoon.

 

Can you imagine, Flynn didn't lie - but that doesn't matter. Sure there was dishonesty in the application for the warrant - but that's O.K. the Court does not really need to be bored with all those little details.

 

Quite an amazing group these Trump haters.

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jimc91:  It makes you wonder if what has gone on so far is not the pursuit of criminal conduct but, instead, is the criminalizing of perfectly normal political conduct.

 

 

You will no doubt disagree, but it's not "perfectly normal political conduct" for a presidential campaign to be crawling with Russians. This is something that can't be normalized.

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jimc91:  It’s astonishing the FBI kept the information from the court

 

 

The most likely reason being that it's irrelevant info that the court wouldn't give a rat's backside to know about.

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If one reads special counsel Robert Mueller’s court filings against George Papadopoulos, it’s hard not to conclude that the former Trump campaign aide lied to FBI agents to hide some sinister plot with Russia.

 

Now, let me be clear: I don’t condone lying to anyone, especially the FBI. But there is a much different version of events than the one spun by prosecutors in court filings, Democrats in Congress, or most reporters. An account kept from the public for more than 18 months.

 

It comes from one of the FBI’s primary sources in the Papadopoulos case, European professor Joseph Mifsud.

 

Documents I obtained from sources show Mifsud told the FBI in February 2017 that his contacts with Papadopoulos a year earlier, during the 2016 presidential campaign, were mostly innocuous. He made that point both in an FBI interview and a follow-up email to agents.

 

He described the contacts as an academic exercise in pursuit of peace, not a global plot to hijack the election. And he went out of his way to say there was no talk of sinister cybersecurity intentions such as a plot to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails.

 

“I reaffirm that the content of our conversations was always on wide geo-strategic issues,” he wrote FBI agents on Feb. 11, in an email that was quickly sent to the very top of the FBI’s counterintelligence division. Mifsud sent the email just hours after agents interviewed him.

 

He said the conversations mostly centered around “how the Trump then-campaign team looked to develop a conversation on Europe/UK … and with Russia” and “the fallout in policy in the deteriorating relationship between the major countries in the world today.”

 

Geez, sounds more like a topic for a Miss Universe contestant’s essay on world peace than the opener of a James Bond movie.

 

Mifsud acknowledged he introduced Papadopoulos to a contact in Russia, whom he identified as Dr. Ivan N. Timofeev, who he described as “a director of a think tank in Moscow with strong links with a number of U.S. institutions.”

 

But, again, he stressed the contacts were mostly academic in nature.

 

“Dr. Timofeev and I have been collaborating for a number of years on a number of geo-strategic issues, mainly pertaining to publications/training for diplomats/international experts on energy security and their implications on international relations,” Mifsud told the FBI. “After speaking to both individuals, I put them in contact with each other.”

 

“The intent of that ‘bridging’ was specifically of a geo-political nature and not tied in any way or form to cybersecurity,” Mifsud insisted to the FBI. “It was to create a mutual understanding on world affairs and how we can contribute to peace and stability.”

 

The mere fact Mifsud felt compelled, after his FBI interview, to write a follow-up email — repeatedly insisting that his contacts with Papadopoulos were innocuous — is an indication he didn’t like the way the FBI portrayed events.

 

In fact, at one point in his email, he bold-faced a single sentence for emphasis: “Cybersecurity was never the direct object of any of our communications.”

 

“A ‘new’ possible relationship of the U.S. with Europe, the UK, Russia, the Middle East and energy diplomacy was always the focus of our discussions as international affairs experts,” he wrote in the final line of an email to the FBI.

 

Mifsud even told the FBI that, after his interview, he went back to his documents to make sure there wasn’t something more sinister: “The issues that you specifically asked me about in your questions this morning did not feature in any of our email conversations as far as I can see.”

The Mueller team’s indictment paints this very differently.

 

It claims Papadopoulos lied about when he started advising Trump’s campaign and when he learned from his contacts with Mifsud that Russia may have dirt on Clinton in the form of emails. Prosecutors also accused him of trying to leverage his contact with the Russians he met through Mifsud to get Trump to possibly visit Russia and Vladimir Putin during the election season.

 

Let’s take those allegations in order. Lying to the FBI, yes, is a crime. But having a foreigner tell you a foreign country may have dirt on a candidate is not a crime. And neither is trying to arrange for a presidential candidate to visit a foreign country.

 

If those were crimes, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee would have to be locked up for their efforts to pay British agent Christopher Steele to get dirt on Trump from Russian figures, including one former Russian intelligence operative, according to handwritten Justice Department notes.

 

And all the aides who held backdoor conversations with foreign leaders to arrange for Barack Obama’s pre-2008 election trip to Afghanistan, the Middle East and Europe would have to go to jail, too.

 

That makes no sense.

 

Mueller’s prosecutors recently urged the court to send Papadopoulos to prison, saying his false statements “impeded the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.”

 

More specifically, the prosecutors argued: “The defendant’s lies undermined investigators’ ability to challenge the Professor or potentially detain or arrest him while he was still in the United States.”

There’s just one problem with that argument.

 

The FBI had known for months — at least since July 2016, when an Australian diplomat reported it — that Papadopoulos boasted about the Russian dirt on Clinton. And agents knew before they interviewed Mifsud in February 2017 that Papadopoulos had gotten that information from the professor.

 

So the bureau had plenty of time to question Mifsud about the claims. Furthermore, it easily could have called the professor back and interviewed him anew, if it had doubts; after all, anItalian news outlet had no problem locating Mifsud and interviewing him last November.

 

Papadopoulos’ wife has suggested prosecutors took advantage of her husband to criminalize conduct that wasn’t criminal. It isn’t the first time we’ve heard that.

 

A few months after former Trump national security adviser Mike Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, we learned the agent who conducted that interview did not believe Flynn was deceptive.

 

Okay, so the agent who interviewed Flynn says he didn’t lie but prosecutors nonetheless charged him with lying. And the professor in direct contact with Papadopoulos says he wasn’t involved in some big cybersecurity scheme to hijack the election but, rather, wanted a more peaceful world.

 

It makes you wonder if what has gone on so far is not the pursuit of criminal conduct but, instead, is the criminalizing of perfectly normal political conduct.

 

 

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papado...

 

 

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Bruce Genesoke Ohr (born March 16, 1962) is a United States Department of Justice official.

A former associate deputy attorney general

and former director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF),[1]

as of February 2018 Ohr was working in the Justice Department's Criminal Division.[2]

 

He is an expert on transnational organized crime and has spent most of his career overseeing gang- and racketeering-related prosecutions,[3] including Russian organized crime.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ohr

 

“With Paul Manafort in jail, Michael Cohen in court, and a host of longtime Trump confidants cooperating with federal prosecutors,.....Republicans are increasingly desperate to create a distraction and undermine the Department of Justice as a hedge against what the investigators may find,....

 

“Over the years, when Mr. Steele had information he felt he needed to provide to the FBI, he often reached out to Mr. Ohr, a trusted contact,” they said, noting Ohr had notified Department of Justice’s Criminal Division aware of these contacts. “When Mr. Steele subsequently reached out to Mr. Ohr with additional information, Mr. Ohr appropriately handed it off to FBI investigators to assess its credibility and potentially corroborate with other evidence.”.....

 

Democrats, who disputed the “allegations” of several GOP members, defended Ohr — saying he didn't break any laws and followed the proper protocol with his back-and-forth contacts with Steele, who he knew before the Russia probe began.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/404284-democrats-defend-ohr-following-house-testimony

 

There are just too many good, intelligent people for dt and his cult to successfully destroy them all. Tick tock, Tick tock, the clock does not stop.

Image result for image baby nasty baby trump 

 

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The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven with the whole investigation before it even started.  Spying on a presidential candidate etc........ Shameful waste of tax payer monies.  One can only imagine what will happen if the socialist get control. 

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I think that I will believe the actual FISA application that was provided before I believe a right-wing wacko.

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more deflection, yawn....lets move on......shall we??????
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Senior Justice Department official, Bruce Ohr testified Tuesday that prior to obtaining the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on short-term Trump campaign volunteer, Carter Page, the FBI was aware that former British spy and anti-Trump dossier author, Christopher Steele was biased against then-candidate Trump.

 

He also stated that the FBI knew that his wife, Nellie Ohr was working for Fusion GPS, the now-embattled research firm which was hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC to compile the dossier with Steele. This, according to Congressional sources with direct knowledge of Ohr’s closed-door deposition.

 

Ohr stated during his hours-long testimony that the FBI failed to disclose this pertinent information to the nation’s secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) when it sought an application to spy on Page. The FBI also failed to disclose that when it sought the application, it was using senior Justice Department official, Bruce Ohr as a cut-out for a source the bureau had terminated.

 

Ohr had also communicated with senior members of the FBI, including former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, FBI attorney Lisa Page, and former FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, at the bureau but stated that his superiors at the Justice Department were not aware that he was being used as a source for the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign, according to sources who spoke to SaraACarter.com.

 

“When it comes to the dossier, the hours of testimony from Bruce Ohr only further confirm how wrong the FBI operated,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) told this news outlet. Jordan would not give details on the testimony but stated that Ohr’s deposition was a necessary part of the investigation and getting to the truth.

It’s astonishing the FBI kept the information from the court

Page, who left the FBI earlier this year and whose anti-Trump text messages exposed her relationship with Strzok, downplayed during her communications with Ohr during her congressional deposition last month. Strzok, who served for 22 years in the FBI, was fired from the bureau earlier this month by FBI Deputy Director David L. Bowdich. Bowdich’s decision to fire Strzok actually overruled the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility, which recommended a 60-day suspension and demotion.

 

“It was obvious early on that Bruce Ohr was the backchannel for Steele,” said a congressional source with direct knowledge of the testimony. “The FBI was aware of potential bias of Nellie Ohr and they knew about Steele’s bias early on but never included it in the FISA application. It’s astonishing the FBI kept the information from the court: the fact that there was a back channel after they terminated Christopher Steele and also Fusion GPS, knowing Ohr’s wife was working there.”

 

Another congressional source, involved in the investigation of Bruce Ohr, tells SaraACarter.com, “The DOJ refused to disclose all kinds of biases to the FISA court. The fact that they didn’t tell the court that Fusion GPS was paying the wife of a top DOJ official to work on the Steele dossier, parts of which the DOJ cited to get a warrant to spy on an American citizen, is another stunning and inexcusable failure.”

 

Steele was terminated as a source by the FBI when the bureau discovered he had been leaking information to the media in the summer of 2016. However, he maintained contact through Ohr, according to the sources. It was after the election when the FBI began interviewing Ohr about his communications with Steele. According to the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia report in September 2016, Steele told Ohr about his dislike for Trump, saying he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”  Congressional investigators have argued that the FBI officials duped the FISA court by not disclosing this information on their warrant to surveil Page.

 

On Tuesday, Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, told Fox News that “Bruce Ohr is creating a link for us between people… who had animus, who were, in fact, desperate to stop candidate Trump from being President Trump.”

 

.@DarrellIssa on DOJ official Bruce Ohr questioned on contacts with anti-Trump dossier author: "Bruce Ohr is creating a link for us between people… who had animus, who were, in fact, desperate to stop candidate Trump from being President Trump." https://t.co/mnMKzlbmRjpic.twitter.com/GS3tQF40Vy

— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 28, 2018

 

 

 

 
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