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@alotofgrey wrote:

Canada does not have an illegal immagrant problem. Whatever they are doing works, so why aren't we doing it?

 

Note: What is the wall supposed to do? Keep them from leaving?


FYI - 

Canada does not have a problem because of a couple of reasons.

1.  Canada and the U.S. Have a Safe Thrid Country Agreement.

Basically, it is that s refugee HAS to file for asylum in the 1st safe country they enter.  Many EU countries have this type of agreement too - that's where it originated and now it sanctioned by the UN.

 

We tried to get one of these agreements with Mexico - didn't work but if it had, Mexico would have built their wall on the southern part of their country -  Woman Wink

 

Canada knows how good they have it - that's why they haven't pitched a fit when President Trump got tough on asylum seekers.  Canada does not want asylum seekers nor do they want people who have overstayed their Visa in the US and file for asylum in Canada - Canada sends them back to us.

 

Here is the agreement if you want to read about it.

Canada.ca - Canada - U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement

 

2.  Canada is also very strict where asylum seekers present themselves for protection.  They have set point of entry and officials to which asylum seekers can present themselves.

 

If Canada catches an asylum seeker crossing into their country at an unauthorized point - the individual is not given the option to apply for asylum, they are deported back to their own country OR back to us if they came through the US.

 

Canada.ca - Claiming Asylum in Canada - What Happens ?

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@afisher wrote:

   Oh my, the RW post a thread regarding a 2017 gov't officials op-ed about the Yuma sector.    As I lived in that area, I have some knowledge about the area.     After I wrote that information, now another RWer person is saying that the complaints are just about Yuma...so one RW is dissing another RWers because some else dares to point out the lies relevant to the area.   

 

From the Atlantic, (circa 2016) to have a SLATS in the region . IT

would require daily cleaning of the SLATS or they would become a sand dune - which is easily traversed in a dune buggy.  

 

RW seems to forget it was their bff's who started the thread not me.   Their inability to mount anything resembling a logical diversion is hilarious....no wonder they just rant and post articles that hide details.  

 

Without daily removal, the US/Mexico border fence in CA would become a sand dune


I can see where in a total desert environment sand could pile up against a wall. But you'd thing it would blow right through slats.

 

Is that logical - or hilarious?


If that is your thoughts your don’t have much experience with fences specifically designed to stop drifting sand (or snow).

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@alotofgrey wrote:

Canada does not have an illegal immagrant problem. Whatever they are doing works, so why aren't we doing it?

 

Note: What is the wall supposed to do? Keep them from leaving?


The "caravans" quit before they get there.

 

The wall - nope, entering.

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Canada does not have an illegal immagrant problem. Whatever they are doing works, so why aren't we doing it?

 

Note: What is the wall supposed to do? Keep them from leaving?

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The lessons of Yuma sector are clear and obvious, and we should apply them to the rest of our border.

 

It's not 1993 anymore, the surge of immigrants coming over the border was reduced to a trickle before Trump was elected President. Border crossings fell to a 46 year low in 2017.

 

Lowest numbers since 1971, as of 2017.

 

With the big crackdown and all I suspect the numbers are even lower for 2018.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

Why would we need $5 billion every year to "operate" the wall. Isn't every form of wall passive not requiring any operation (sure maintenance is needed). Why would an additional 20,000 FBI agents be needed if Trump builds his wall? Do you envision FBI agents standing every 300 feet at the border with bomb sniffing dogs?


This is a brilliant idea. We already have really, really high walls around our maximum security prisons. Why are we paying for guards as well?  Just provide a small staff to oversee the kitchens and administration.  I am sure it would work AT LEAST as well as Trump's border wall. 


The goal of prison walls is to keep people in, like the Berlin wall. That is not the topic.


The point is the WALL around a Supermax CANNOT confine the inmates WITHOUT guards being posted 7/24/365. Same has proven true for every Wall ever built so it's NOT just the cost of repairing holes in the wall, it's the cost of overseeing it 24/365, along with all the electronic survalience necessary so we don't need a guard every 300 feet.


And without a physical barrier, how far apart do you propose placing armed guards who aren't allowed to shoot in defense of the border?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

Why would we need $5 billion every year to "operate" the wall. Isn't every form of wall passive not requiring any operation (sure maintenance is needed). Why would an additional 20,000 FBI agents be needed if Trump builds his wall? Do you envision FBI agents standing every 300 feet at the border with bomb sniffing dogs?


This is a brilliant idea. We already have really, really high walls around our maximum security prisons. Why are we paying for guards as well?  Just provide a small staff to oversee the kitchens and administration.  I am sure it would work AT LEAST as well as Trump's border wall. 


The goal of prison walls is to keep people in, like the Berlin wall. That is not the topic.


The point is the WALL around a Supermax CANNOT confine the inmates WITHOUT guards being posted 7/24/365. Same has proven true for every Wall ever built so it's NOT just the cost of repairing holes in the wall, it's the cost of overseeing it 24/365, along with all the electronic survalience necessary so we don't need a guard every 300 feet.

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TRUMP FAILED AND COULD NOT KEEP HIS PROMISE. Now the enablers try and cover for him.

You are right. The President of the United States was unable to get the government of Mexico to pay for our border security (although they are helping us by keeping some there until processed).

 

Rational people understand that would have been quite an accomplishment had he done it and appreciate the efforts he is making towards our border security.


We have them where they work and Trump had nothing to do with that. We are now paying millions  to Mexico for what they are doing. We are also paying millions now to CA Countries to help people stay there. Rational people know this but the far right enablers do not know or understand any of this. We all know what traits the far right enablers have.


Right - we are paying for their care, we have no choice. Intelligent right enablers understand that.


We do have a choice. The best path is to send Dictator Trump to the ash can of history along with his leaders, and enablers. There has never been an intelligent right winger in the USA. The country was formed by throwing all of the right wing of that time into the ash can of history.


No, we have no choice. They must be cared for and the federal government can either do it or pay someone else to do it. We enablers understand that.

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@Richva wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

Why would we need $5 billion every year to "operate" the wall. Isn't every form of wall passive not requiring any operation (sure maintenance is needed). Why would an additional 20,000 FBI agents be needed if Trump builds his wall? Do you envision FBI agents standing every 300 feet at the border with bomb sniffing dogs?


This is a brilliant idea. We already have really, really high walls around our maximum security prisons. Why are we paying for guards as well?  Just provide a small staff to oversee the kitchens and administration.  I am sure it would work AT LEAST as well as Trump's border wall. 


The goal of prison walls is to keep people in, like the Berlin wall. That is not the topic.

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