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@jimc91 wrote:

@Meanwhile, back to the ACTUAL topic article written by Walter Williams, he wrote:

 

Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.

 

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I know its a lot to unpack but I think he lays out some very interesting numbers.  

 

Why is it that Chicago is such a unique situation among large cities?

 

 

 

 


Any serious posters?

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@Meanwhile, back to the ACTUAL topic article written by Walter Williams, he wrote:

 

Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.

 

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I know its a lot to unpack but I think he lays out some very interesting numbers.  

 

Why is it that Chicago is such a unique situation among large cities?

 

 

 

 


Tell us - but without the traditional RWNJ disingenuities and bull shoveling...

 

 

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Meanwhile, back to the ACTUAL topic article written by Walter Williams, he wrote:

 

Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.

 

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I know its a lot to unpack but I think he lays out some very interesting numbers.  

 

Why is it that Chicago is such a unique situation among large cities?

 

 

 

 

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Not sure anyone outside the Republibubble still thinks Lemontop was "duly elected", since it is not according to our rules to have Russians inticing wackos to the polls and vilifying one of the candidates with their expertly crafted lies.

 

The illigitamacy of Gerrymandering and foreign interference notwithstanding, REpublicans ARE the only reason we still allow military weapons to circulate freely in the civilian sector and we remain the ONLY nation to suffer a steady stream of gun deaths - 30,000 per year - and horrific mass murders every couple months.

 

And how rk determined the violence will only end in the black community is something that cannot be explained except to say its amazingly racist, even for a Republican.

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 Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination

Yes, many say that and then do nothing to protest the carnage of black on black crime. That sounds more like a political position than a humanitarian one.

 

State sponsored terrorism of the black community..and the front line of that terrorism IS the police.

Let's rephrase - State sponsored war on crime in the black community and the front line of that service to the community IS the police.

 

The issue is not just the shootings.. its the beatings, its the fear created of being shot or beaten,

All of which happens on a daily basis without the police being involved.

its the circumvention of the courts, it making black people feel like their life means less ( which leads to them killing each other ) .

Interesting approach - because the police of varying colors confront criminal violence with violence trying to protect the black community, members of that community kill each other. You have really gone over the edge on that one.

 

Its a dead cat argument, basically saying there is nothing to be done.

There is much can be done - starting with supporting the efforts of the police to bring safety to the black communities. 


 


We hear the dogwhistle - trump's, session's, alt-right and KKK brand of special "white safety", no doubt...

 

 

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@MIseker wrote:

 

 Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination

Yes, many say that and then do nothing to protest the carnage of black on black crime. That sounds more like a political position than a humanitarian one.

 

State sponsored terrorism of the black community..and the front line of that terrorism IS the police.

Let's rephrase - State sponsored war on crime in the black community and the front line of that service to the community IS the police.

 

The issue is not just the shootings.. its the beatings, its the fear created of being shot or beaten,

All of which happens on a daily basis without the police being involved.

its the circumvention of the courts, it making black people feel like their life means less ( which leads to them killing each other ) .

Interesting approach - because the police of varying colors confront criminal violence with violence trying to protect the black community, members of that community kill each other. You have really gone over the edge on that one.

 

Its a dead cat argument, basically saying there is nothing to be done.

There is much can be done - starting with supporting the efforts of the police to bring safety to the black communities. 


 

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Interesting - if we remove the legally elected President from office, the blacks in Chicago, etc. will stop killing other blacks - you know, the ones that BLM does not apply to.


But will it stop white republicans, conservatives, teawhackos, bigots, racists, sexists and CINOS from their "honored tradition" of telling more lies, and telling them more often than they tell the truth?

 

Nope - won't have the slightest effect upon the moral turpitude, ethical bankruptcy and basic dishonest-to-the-bone quality of character of those on the political, cultural and religious right for whom lying in service to the cause is considered honorable and desirable...

 

They will still remain the kind of creatures one dares not turn one's back upon, lest one be stabbed in the back.

 

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Where's he's WRONG is attempting to attribute violent behavior to RACE. If there were a shred of Truth in this RWer dogma, then middle and upper class blacks would be committing a whole lot more crimes, and they are most definately NOT doing so.

 

Those trapped in poverty by discrimination and unequal enforcement of the law have many fewer options to earn a living and the correlation between extreme poverty and crime is well established while the same correlation to race is nonexistant.

 

The difference in the level of violence is totally explainable. In the 1940's and 50's, the NRA supported marksmanship and hunting, and there were NO semi-automatic military weapons for sale anywhere other than "War Surplus" stores.

Street thugs had to construct their own firearms (zipguns, remember?) But with the GOP legislation, zipguns went the way of the buggy whip and thugs were able to purchase VERY inexpensive and deadly hand guns - the rise of the Saturday Night Special. The thugs used these to rob and murder their way to enough money to buy better weapons, Republicans made sure said weapons were available, and the rest is history.

 

Congress ALMOST banned the importation of "military weapons" in 1961, but the GOP blocked the bill, thus allowing the gun that killed JFK to be imported and sold to Lee Harvey Oswald for less than twenty bucks. The carange in America is due to Republicans pandering to the LCD of voters, and the actual majority needs to end their ability to do this by removing them from office while we still have a civilization worth saving.


Interesting - if we remove the legally elected President from office, the blacks in Chicago, etc. will stop killing other blacks - you know, the ones that BLM does not apply to.


dead cat.

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

From the posted article Walter Williams write:

 

What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.

 

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 They will also tell you guns were nat as available, and the ones that were went to whites that could pay more. Poverty is relative to the time we live in. Not having a phone in 1950 is a lot different than not having one now. 

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So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes.Yes. and the experience of the 60's tells then not to step up or they will be killed, and the government will oppose them, and has assassinated some.  Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding.Its whats allowed by the state..martyrs. That needs to end. The police state and cointelpro tactics need to stop first or the community will never get out of its rut. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. YOU MUST SUBMIT BLACK MAN OR WE WILL KILL YOU. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita. ANd, the US has long supported police extremism toward blacks. Always has, still does.

 

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Same question to the left on this board.  Where is he wrong and why?

 

 Where? just about everywhere. 

Why? he is a mouthpiece for the system that suckers people in.

 

 

 

 


 

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@jimc91 wrote:

From the posted article Walter Williams write:

 

What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.

 

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Perhaps some on the left here could explain why he is wrong here?

 

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Then he writes:

 

So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes. Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding. That needs to end. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

 

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Same question to the left on this board.  Where is he wrong and why?

 

 

 

 

 

 


What is the source of Walter Williams' assertion that crime was lower in the 40s and 50s?  I see this on a bunch of conservative sites, but there are no citations showing where the data is coming from.    It is not trustworthy without a source.

 

The murder rate per capita was actually extremely high then, compared to now.  I don't see any breakdown by race.   But overall, the murder rate peaked in 1933 at 9.7 per 100,000 population.   It dropped to about 6 per 100,000 during WWII.  Then skyrocketed after 1960.  10 or 11 per 100,000 and peaked in 1998, when all crime was at an all time high.   Since then, crime has plummeted in every category. 

 

Homicides, though, have gone up the past two years, and that's largely driven by Chicago itself.   The overall murder rate is 5.4 per 100,000 in 2016.  In cities only, it's 6.2. 

 

 

Nobody knows why for sure. It's too early to tell. 

 

 

 

And here are my sources. 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-11

 

http://www.jrsa.org/projects/Historical.pdf

 

 



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