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Re: Blacks vs. Police

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jimc91 wrote:

Let's throw out a few numbers so we can put in perspective the NFL players taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem. Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination. We might ask just how much sense their protest makes.

 

According to "The Washington Post," 737 people have been shot and killed by police this year in the United States. Of that number, there were 329 whites, 165 blacks, 112 Hispanics, 24 members of other races and 107 people whose race was unknown. In Illinois, home to one of our most dangerous cities -- Chicago -- 18 people have been shot and killed by police this year. In the city itself, police have shot and killed ten people and shot and wounded ten others. Somebody should ask the kneeling black NFL players why they are protesting this kind of killing in the Windy City and ignoring other sources of black death.

 

Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.

 

 

Similar statistics regarding police killing blacks versus blacks killing blacks apply to many of our predominantly black urban centers, such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Orleans, St. Louis and Oakland. Many Americans, including me, see the black NFL player protest of police brutality as pathetic, useless showboating. Seeing as these players have made no open protest against the thousands of blacks being murdered and maimed by blacks, they must view it as trivial in comparison with the police killings. Most of the police killings fit into the category of justified homicide.

 

NFL players are not by themselves. How much condemnation do black politicians, civil rights leaders, and liberal whites give to the wanton black homicides in our cities? When have you heard them condemning the very low clearance rate, whereby most black murderers get away with murder? Do you believe they would be just as silent if it were the Ku Klux Klan committing the murders?

 

What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.

 

So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes. Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding. That needs to end. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

 

For a race of people, these crime statistics are by no means flattering, but if something good is to be done about it, we cannot fall prey to the blame games that black politicians, black NFL players, civil rights leaders and white liberals want to play. If their vision is accepted, we can expect little improvement of the status quo.

 

BY Walter Williams


 Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination

 

State sponsored terrorism of the black community..and the front line of that terrorism IS the police. The issue is not just the shootings.. its the beatings, its the fear created of being shot or beaten, its the circumvention of the courts, it making black people feel like their life means less ( which leads to them killing each other ) . Its a dead cat argument, basically saying there is nothing to be done. 

So it begins.
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Re: Blacks vs. Police

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Olderscout66 wrote:

Where's he's WRONG is attempting to attribute violent behavior to RACE. If there were a shred of Truth in this RWer dogma, then middle and upper class blacks would be committing a whole lot more crimes, and they are most definately NOT doing so.

 

Those trapped in poverty by discrimination and unequal enforcement of the law have many fewer options to earn a living and the correlation between extreme poverty and crime is well established while the same correlation to race is nonexistant.

 

The difference in the level of violence is totally explainable. In the 1940's and 50's, the NRA supported marksmanship and hunting, and there were NO semi-automatic military weapons for sale anywhere other than "War Surplus" stores.

Street thugs had to construct their own firearms (zipguns, remember?) But with the GOP legislation, zipguns went the way of the buggy whip and thugs were able to purchase VERY inexpensive and deadly hand guns - the rise of the Saturday Night Special. The thugs used these to rob and murder their way to enough money to buy better weapons, Republicans made sure said weapons were available, and the rest is history.

 

Congress ALMOST banned the importation of "military weapons" in 1961, but the GOP blocked the bill, thus allowing the gun that killed JFK to be imported and sold to Lee Harvey Oswald for less than twenty bucks. The carange in America is due to Republicans pandering to the LCD of voters, and the actual majority needs to end their ability to do this by removing them from office while we still have a civilization worth saving.


Interesting - if we remove the legally elected President from office, the blacks in Chicago, etc. will stop killing other blacks - you know, the ones that BLM does not apply to.

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@Olderscout66, are you disputing the fact that blacks commit more crimes per capita that whites?  If so where are you getting your information?  Can you back that up?

 

 

 

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Where's he's WRONG is attempting to attribute violent behavior to RACE. If there were a shred of Truth in this RWer dogma, then middle and upper class blacks would be committing a whole lot more crimes, and they are most definately NOT doing so.

 

Those trapped in poverty by discrimination and unequal enforcement of the law have many fewer options to earn a living and the correlation between extreme poverty and crime is well established while the same correlation to race is nonexistant.

 

The difference in the level of violence is totally explainable. In the 1940's and 50's, the NRA supported marksmanship and hunting, and there were NO semi-automatic military weapons for sale anywhere other than "War Surplus" stores.

Street thugs had to construct their own firearms (zipguns, remember?) But with the GOP legislation, zipguns went the way of the buggy whip and thugs were able to purchase VERY inexpensive and deadly hand guns - the rise of the Saturday Night Special. The thugs used these to rob and murder their way to enough money to buy better weapons, Republicans made sure said weapons were available, and the rest is history.

 

Congress ALMOST banned the importation of "military weapons" in 1961, but the GOP blocked the bill, thus allowing the gun that killed JFK to be imported and sold to Lee Harvey Oswald for less than twenty bucks. The carange in America is due to Republicans pandering to the LCD of voters, and the actual majority needs to end their ability to do this by removing them from office while we still have a civilization worth saving.

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When anyone from the Left posts a topic using the term 'Whites' or 'Blacks', one of a couple of posters here from the Right accuse them of being racist or using "racist terms". Where is the criticism from others from the right for this poster using the term "Blacks" vs Police". Not criticizing this poster for using such a term, yet criticizing someone from the left for using it is pure hypocrisy. Where is the same outrage? Hypocrisy? Double standards?  Partisanship? Certainly


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From the posted article Walter Williams write:

 

What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.

 

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Perhaps some on the left here could explain why he is wrong here?

 

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Then he writes:

 

So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes. Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding. That needs to end. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

 

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Same question to the left on this board.  Where is he wrong and why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ChasKy53 wrote:

Either the poster of this topic/article never read his own article or skipped through it so fast he didn't recognize some of the misinformation (lies) contained in it. It should embarrass the poster.


So you dispute the information while offering nothing to refute it.  Walter Williams privides plenty of referance matierial.

 

I think we have found another symptom of Trump Derangment Syndrome, we'll call it "willful ignorance"...

 

 

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Either the poster of this topic/article never read his own article or skipped through it so fast he didn't recognize some of the misinformation (lies) contained in it. It should embarrass the poster.


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Re: Blacks vs. Police

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Richva wrote:

Wait.......a race that is 12% of the population accounts for 50% of the white deaths by police?  How can this happen?


It never happened - right wing liars hoped you wouldn't spot it.

 

They were hoping for people like trump voters...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg

 

 

 

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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jimc91 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

Walter Williams has been a substitute for Rush Limbaugh on his show when Limpmember has been travelling, and is therefore acknowledged and accepted as a member in the highest ranks of right wing liars, frauds, and charlatans, and is clearly a right wing crackpot and nutcase of the first water.

 

Congratulations jimc91 - another rightwingnut whackadoodle...

 

 


LOL!!

 

Does that mean you dispute the numbers and concepts in the article or are you just displaying your Hate for this writer?

 

Oh and more name calling from the left since you have no argument...

 

 

 


Somebody with more impartial and verifiably accurate numbers than your right wing paid shill and liar would do...

 

Not hate - just knowledge of the proved fact that RWNJs lie as much as trump - or more.

 

 

Have pity for Melania - she hasn't yet got rid of that ugly fat.
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