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   And the ignobles prove once again that they don't bother to read articles,  they just knee jerk a response.    sigh.    When they are incapable of actual debate they revert to the most popular RW process - trolling.


I'm often amazed at the ignobles who claim they know more than anyone else, but NEVER post any references to their so-called facts.  It's a "believe me, I'm better than you" approach.  It's actually quite ignorant.


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The title should be "Blacks Get Shorter Prison Terms from Democrat Judges".

 

Since whites are the majority in federal prisons, GOP Judges increase diversity in federal prisons.  Diversity is good, right?


As good a point as any I've seen regarding this subject.

 

The fact is there have been many studies done on sentencing.  (The one referenced here is an incomplete "working paper.")  In every case, some liberal who doesn't understand it always gets in over their head by trying to make more out of it than it is.

 

The fact is it's almost impossible to accurately compare sentences due to the way our justice system works.  The primary reason for that is plea bargains.  The last stat I saw was 97% of all federal cases are plea bargained and 94% of all state cases.  In the majority of those cases the judge doesn't set the sentence.  The attorneys "bargain" it and the judge rubber stamps it.  In many of the cases the charge is reduced as part of the bargain.  When the charge is reduced the person may get a stiffer sentence than another person charged with the same crime who bargained the sentence down but didn't get the charge reduced.  Using the current "working paper" as an example, the article said they looked at 500,000.  To know whether the charge had been reduced, etc, they would have had to interview at least 500,000 people who knew what actually happened in the case.   If they could do 8 of those interviews a day, using 240 working days per year, it would take 260+ years.  Then there is the time required to locate the right people, etc.

 

I've never seen a study on the real issue with our justice system, which has nothing to do with black and white.  It's all about green.  Just for example, if you have the money to hire the best lawyer, chances are you'll get the best deal on a plea bargain.  But then, if you have the money to hire the best lawyer chances are you won't plea bargain.  You'll go to trial and be found not guilty.

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   And the ignobles prove once again that they don't bother to read articles,  they just knee jerk a response.    sigh.    When they are incapable of actual debate they revert to the most popular RW process - trolling.

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The title should be "Blacks Get Shorter Prison Terms from Democrat Judges".  Why?  Do they give longer sentences to whites? 

 

Since whites are the majority in federal prisons, GOP Judges increase diversity in federal prisons.  Diversity is good, right? Maybe we should jail all racists and let them play together.


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The title should be "Blacks Get Shorter Prison Terms from Democrat Judges".

 

Since whites are the majority in federal prisons, GOP Judges increase diversity in federal prisons.  Diversity is good, right?

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Look at who is now wanting to increase prison time for all crimes - Donald's admin.    Jeff would do away with 3 strikes and make it 1 strike (if African American) would be life imprison - purely because of racism. 

 

Not all GOP, just the majority are in that mind-set.    The current "prison reform'  legislation  doesn't include any change to the  minimum prison time.and some Republican Senators are not going to approve the "reform" at the moment.   

 

In Oregon, an ex-cop was given a hand slap by a Judge for sexual abuse - because the now ex-cop promised to go to counselling.   COP is white, of course.  

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Black defendants receive longer prison terms from Republican-appointed judges, study finds

 

Federal judges appointed by Republican presidents give black defendants sentences that are, on average, six to seven months longer than the sentences they give to similar white defendants, according to a new working paper from Alma Cohen and Crystal Yang of Harvard Law School.

 

That racial sentencing disparity is about twice as large as the one observed among judges appointed by Democrats, who give black defendants sentences that are three to four months longer than the sentences they give to white defendants with similar histories who commit similar crimes.

 

Cohen and Yang estimate that differences between how Democratic and Republican judges treat black and nonblack defendants account for 65 percent of the total racial sentencing gap observed at the federal level.

 

To arrive at these numbers, Cohen and Yang examined over 500,000 sentences handed down by nearly 1,400 federal judges between 1999 and 2015. By merging data sets from the U.S. Sentencing Commission, the Federal Judicial Center and Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, the authors were able to see how the individual characteristics of federal judges, like demographics and the political affiliation of their appointing president, influenced the sentences given to various types of federal criminal defendants.

 

Federal judges are assigned to specific cases at random, setting up the sort of “natural experiment” that can yield valuable insights in social science research — no need to worry about judges shopping for certain kinds of cases, or defendants or prosecutors shopping for certain judges. But to arrive at their conclusions, Cohen and Yang still had to correct for many other factors that play into sentencing decisions: federal sentencing guidelines that judges must consult, but not necessarily adhere to, and the discretion of federal prosecutors to decide which charges to bring in a given case, to name a few.

 

They found the difference in the racial sentencing gaps observed for Democratic and Republican judges couldn't be explained by differences in the use of sentencing guidelines, prosecutors' decisions or judge characteristics such as race, gender or former prosecutorial experience.

 

They did find, however, that the gap between sentences for black and white defendants was smaller for more-experienced judges than for less-experienced ones. They also found that differences between how Republican and Democratic judges treat black and white defendants grew larger after the Supreme Court's 2005 decision in United States v. Booker, which gave federal judges much more leeway to depart from federal sentencing guidelines.

 

More at:  Black defendants receive longer prison terms from Republican-appointed judges, study finds

 

We're taught, "Justice is blind", but obviously, with Republicans, it isn't.  One far-right extremist claims Republicans "don't see color", yet he endorses another Conservative extremist who posts "blacks are killing blacks in Chicago".  They sure sound conflicted.


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