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Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.


My 17 year old granddaughter explained the logical sequence to me...

 

The expression "pack sand" is merely a preliminary operation setting up conditions that will allow deniers to be able to stick their heads in the sand.

 

It is noted that the previously mentioned whackadoodle's ark project has failed to meet economic promises that got it big tax breaks, and appears to be "sinking" - something the crackpot has blamed upon Atheists - as if Atheists would be expected to spend excessive amounts of money to patronise what they would obviously consider a superstition based enterprise...

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Bill Nye is just too funny.


He can be. He was very serious when he debated that religious whack-a-doodle in Kentucky over evolution.  He was quite respectful even though there were lots of eye roll moments. 

 

He has been an exceptionally good communicator of the proven science behind man made climate change. It must be frustrating to debate against people who's only retort is "Is NOT!" and no belief in science.  Well, he seems to carry it off well. 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.


I don't know about sand, but those heads are stuck somewhere!  Unfortunately, I'm cursed by having a memory and I remember when they completely denied  there even WAS smething called  global warming.  Later, when the evidence became too strong that that particular dodge no longer worked, they switched lanes and started saying "yeah, sure there's global warming...but it's a 'natural' thing and not the people's fault".

 

The problem with that logic is that there are 239 MILLION little bonfires on wheels in the world.  And that's just automobiles.  It doesn't count all the trucks, buses, boats, farm equipment, lawn mowers and dozens of other things that use internal combustion engines  every day on this planet.  Then there are thousands of factories, coal, gas and nuclear power plants that all generate massive amounts of heat.  Combine that with deforestation  on a massive, global scale and you have a LOT of heat.  Add to that the large scale  industrial air pollution (and the trapped methane and CO2  released by melting glaciers and  disappearing permafrost)  that keeps a lot of heat from escaping the planet's atmosphere into space and you have a HUGE problem, and ALL of that is caused by human activity exclusively!

 

So the takeaway is that even if there IS a small component of this being 'naturally' occurring, the overwhelming blame for this situation is OUR fault, period!

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Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.


"The only thing that man learns from history is that man learns nothing from history."
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Bill Nye is just too funny.

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For one thing, your source may be a genuine scientist but that alone doesn't account for that much.  Scientists generally don't march in lockstep with each other unless there is overwhelming evidence to support something like climate change.  And with the vast majority of scientists all agreeing about climate change and its effect on hurricanes your source needs a LOT more to back him up than just showing his diploma on the wall to get intelligent people to believe his contention.  And just saying Nye is wrong without clearly explaining WHY he is wrong doesn't cut it.

 

Remember when reputable scientists were arguing for the removal of lead from gasoline?  In the 60s the oil companies paid a scientist to argue before Congress that lead in gasoline was harmless.  That was about as true as when industry shills for the tobacco industry were claiming smoking wasn't harmful.  Now it would appear we are seeing the same thing regarding climate change as we saw then,

But sadly, we tend to believe what we want to (or are told to) believe and ignore everything else.

 

And since dangerous changes to the climate and oceans on a planet-wide basis is measured in the range of  just a FEW degrees, it makes the flippant dismissal of the ocean just being "a little warmer" makes his argument ridiculous on its face.


 

    It is interesting that all the of Blaze information is based on a report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation / UK.    That report included a dataset (Maue's)  that was erroneous.   How bad was the error?   So bad that the GWPF deleted the information and even tweeted their corrections.  

 

      Oh but wait, some here will be excited to learn that the Neo-Nazi's ( Daily Stormer)  did NOT stop supporting the false information.   This should keep the denialist happy...so yea!?   

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For one thing, your source may be a genuine scientist but that alone doesn't account for that much.  Scientists generally don't march in lockstep with each other unless there is overwhelming evidence to support something like climate change.  And with the vast majority of scientists all agreeing about climate change and its effect on hurricanes your source needs a LOT more to back him up than just showing his diploma on the wall to get intelligent people to believe his contention.  And just saying Nye is wrong without clearly explaining WHY he is wrong doesn't cut it.

 

Remember when reputable scientists were arguing for the removal of lead from gasoline?  In the 60s the oil companies paid a scientist to argue before Congress that lead in gasoline was harmless.  That was about as true as when industry shills for the tobacco industry were claiming smoking wasn't harmful.  Now it would appear we are seeing the same thing regarding climate change as we saw then,

But sadly, we tend to believe what we want to (or are told to) believe and ignore everything else.

 

And since dangerous changes to the climate and oceans on a planet-wide basis is measured in the range of  just a FEW degrees, it makes the flippant dismissal of the ocean just being "a little warmer" makes his argument ridiculous on its face.

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Mlseker:   SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.

and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?
the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.

So it begins.
 
 
Not much to say in answer  to this level of derp coming from the right. They're going to grasp whatever ludicrous thing they come across and present it as if it merits serious consideration.
 
 
 

There needs to be a standard for measuring republican/conservative "derpitude".

 

Perhaps Glenn Beck should be considered to be a "derpitude" measurement of 100 (for those not institutionalized).

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Mlseker:   SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.

and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?
the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.

So it begins.
 
 
Not much to say in answer  to this level of derp coming from the right. They're going to grasp whatever ludicrous thing they come across and present it as if it merits serious consideration.
 
 
 
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Dr. Ryan Maue, a climate scientist known for his work with tropics, weather models and climate research shut Nye down on Twitter.

 

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a...

 



I find it so interesting in reviewing your sources; that there is a pattern that is virtually repeated over and over and over.

 

Generally, the researcher quoted in your posts work for a Conservative Think Tank or for no one at all.

 

Generally, you find more about this researcher's "public self" in the TWITTERVERSE rather than legitimate scientific papers and journals.

 

Generally, if you find web sites mentioning your researcher, it will be an ALT-RIGHT website.

 

Generally and finally, your researcher will usually be criticized by legitimate publications such as Politifact and Scientific American Magazine.

 

This applies to Ryan Maue (whoever he is) and a multitude of other "experts" you have quoted previously.

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