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Can you imagine what the right will do to SANDERS ?    He hung a SOVIET FLAG in his mayoral office in Burlington VT.   .     He took his 2nd wife on a honeymoon to what was Communist Russia.     
Bernie Sanders praised Cuban communist dictator Fidel Castro.  
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBJBc5iCMWU
‪2020 Presidential Candidate Praising Soviet Russia for being the Leader of Communism,   

I JUST SAYING. ...cause      I prefer LIZ WARREN but I'll take any of the other's but Sanders..   This confirmed socialist   got that silver tongue but he votes with right.. on important issues... but talks left.   . 

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Chasky said, "Pardon me but it is rather close minded to pick one reason that Hillary lost, there were numerous reasons. It wasn't just about race."

 

Why are you so obsessed with that comment? Please consider the statement in its context. I was pointing out that your favorite candidate, Bernie, has very little support among a significant part of the Democratic party, black voters. He's doing well in all white Iowa and NH, but terrible in S.Carolina where there's a large, black voting block. 

 

I would be happy to list the many reasons Hillary lost the election, but for now, I'm focusing solely on a major difference between Biden and Bernie.. 

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No this election is about Trump and who best can replace him. The Trump supporters want it to be about what you are talking about. It looks like you are obsessing over allowing Trump to win, and that shows who is playing into Trumps hands. During the primary the candidates should be telling us how they will defeat Trump not each other then we choose who we think can do that job the best., and if there are enough people joining you he will win, and become full Dicator like Hitler.


The Presidential election is no doubt a lot about defeating  tRump.  tRump supporters want everything to be about trump.  I only want those who vote in the Democratic Primary to be able to vote for the primary candidate of their own choosing without being insulted or attacked over it.

 

I am not the one "obsessing over allowing tRump to win", but you most certainly are.

 

"Choosing who can do that job best" (defeating tRump) is an individual decision. Anyone voting in the Democratic Primary has the right to their own choice without being attacked or ridiculed.

 

My response to your   "and if there are enough people joining you he will win, and become full Dictator like Hitler"   is that it is simply another denigrating and insulting statement based on your own opinion.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

So much in love with publicity....(Bernie stayed in the race) long after the nomination for Hillary was a done-deal....

 

Candidates withdraw from the presidential race when the money dries up. Usually when the big donors or the corporate donors stop donating to the candidate's campaign.


Bernie stayed in the race because his small donors kept sending in their $27 donations. They wanted him in the race.


April 26, 2016


Sanders put out a statement congratulating Clinton on her wins and hinting that he would stay in through the convention to promote his driving issues: a $15 minimum wage, ending “disastrous” trade policies, and breaking up the big banks.


Hillary stooped low with Her justification for staying in the race against Barack Obama even though it appeared Obama had enough delegates to win the nomination.
Remember in 2008 Hillary cited the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as a justification to keep campaigning for president against Obama.
In a filmed meeting with editors of a newspaper in South Dakota, which held the final primary of the Democratic race on June 3, Clinton hinted that she might not concede the nomination to Obama until the August nominating convention.
Hillary: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/23/hillaryclinton.barackobama


Hillary and Her supporters are always complaining and blaming everyone and everything under the roof for Her 2016 loss.
No matter what Bernie did to help Hillary it was never enough.


After the Democratic Convention Bernie Sanders campaigned for Hillary. He hosted 40 campaign events and rallies. I think he campaigned more for Her than she did for Herself.

bernie hillary rallies.pngForty campaign stops even though he knew the DNC had rigged the Primary against him in favor of Hillary.


Elizabeth Warren - Rigged 2016 Primary Against Bernie Sanders (Video)...

 

 


Nice answer. Trump will love it as there could be material he can use to stay in power and become full Dictator. If you want to win the election stay on Trump not Bernie. As time passes the Bernie supporters seem to be moving toward what the Trump enablers are except the Trump ones only put out what they are told by leadership. My post is the first hint in this back and forth that Trump is the problem.


This is a Primary Election.  IMO, the DNC should stay out of it. This Primary is about the majority choosing who they want as the Democratic Presidential Candidate.  Let the process work, once  the people choose their candidate it will then be time to get behind that candidate and defeating tRump (if he is actually the Republican candidate). Obsessing over trump is what tRump supporters do, we should not let that get in the way of the democratic process of our Primary Elections. IMHO, that is playing right into tRump's hands.


No this election is about Trump and who best can replace him. The Trump supporters want it to be about what you are talking about. It looks like you are obsessing over allowing Trump to win, and that shows who is playing into Trumps hands. If you want Trump to win keep going down the path you are, and if there are enough people joining you he will win, and become full Dicator like Hitler.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Chasky, please read what I wrote before criticizing me. I never said it was the only reason. The point of the post is the Democratic candidate needs widespread support among black voters.

 

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The Democratic candidate probably cannot win without a substantial black voter turnout. That was one of the reasons Hillary lost, black voters stayed home in large numbers.

Pardon me but it is rather close minded to pick one reason that Hillary lost, there were numerous reasons. It wasn't just about race.


It's also logical to say that getting out the young vote could be even more powerful, young of all races.


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Chasky, please read what I wrote before criticizing me. I never said it was the only reason. The point of the post is the Democratic candidate needs widespread support among black voters.

 

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

The Democratic candidate probably cannot win without a substantial black voter turnout. That was one of the reasons Hillary lost, black voters stayed home in large numbers.

Pardon me but it is rather close minded to pick one reason that Hillary lost, there were numerous reasons. It wasn't just about race.

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@john258 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

So much in love with publicity....(Bernie stayed in the race) long after the nomination for Hillary was a done-deal....

 

Candidates withdraw from the presidential race when the money dries up. Usually when the big donors or the corporate donors stop donating to the candidate's campaign.


Bernie stayed in the race because his small donors kept sending in their $27 donations. They wanted him in the race.


April 26, 2016


Sanders put out a statement congratulating Clinton on her wins and hinting that he would stay in through the convention to promote his driving issues: a $15 minimum wage, ending “disastrous” trade policies, and breaking up the big banks.


Hillary stooped low with Her justification for staying in the race against Barack Obama even though it appeared Obama had enough delegates to win the nomination.
Remember in 2008 Hillary cited the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as a justification to keep campaigning for president against Obama.
In a filmed meeting with editors of a newspaper in South Dakota, which held the final primary of the Democratic race on June 3, Clinton hinted that she might not concede the nomination to Obama until the August nominating convention.
Hillary: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/23/hillaryclinton.barackobama


Hillary and Her supporters are always complaining and blaming everyone and everything under the roof for Her 2016 loss.
No matter what Bernie did to help Hillary it was never enough.


After the Democratic Convention Bernie Sanders campaigned for Hillary. He hosted 40 campaign events and rallies. I think he campaigned more for Her than she did for Herself.

bernie hillary rallies.pngForty campaign stops even though he knew the DNC had rigged the Primary against him in favor of Hillary.


Elizabeth Warren - Rigged 2016 Primary Against Bernie Sanders (Video)...

 

 


Nice answer. Trump will love it as there could be material he can use to stay in power and become full Dictator. If you want to win the election stay on Trump not Bernie. As time passes the Bernie supporters seem to be moving toward what the Trump enablers are except the Trump ones only put out what they are told by leadership. My post is the first hint in this back and forth that Trump is the problem.


This is a Primary Election.  IMO, the DNC should stay out of it. This Primary is about the majority choosing who they want as the Democratic Presidential Candidate.  Let the process work, once  the people choose their candidate it will then be time to get behind that candidate and defeating tRump (if he is actually the Republican candidate). Obsessing over trump is what tRump supporters do, we should not let that get in the way of the democratic process of our Primary Elections. IMHO, that is playing right into tRump's hands.


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@CriticalThinking wrote:

The Democratic candidate probably cannot win without a substantial black voter turnout. That was one of the reasons Hillary lost, black voters stayed home in large numbers.


Pardon me but it is rather close minded to pick one reason that Hillary lost, there were numerous reasons. It wasn't just about race.


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@gordyfl wrote:

So much in love with publicity....(Bernie stayed in the race) long after the nomination for Hillary was a done-deal....

 

Candidates withdraw from the presidential race when the money dries up. Usually when the big donors or the corporate donors stop donating to the candidate's campaign.


Bernie stayed in the race because his small donors kept sending in their $27 donations. They wanted him in the race.


April 26, 2016


Sanders put out a statement congratulating Clinton on her wins and hinting that he would stay in through the convention to promote his driving issues: a $15 minimum wage, ending “disastrous” trade policies, and breaking up the big banks.


Hillary stooped low with Her justification for staying in the race against Barack Obama even though it appeared Obama had enough delegates to win the nomination.
Remember in 2008 Hillary cited the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as a justification to keep campaigning for president against Obama.
In a filmed meeting with editors of a newspaper in South Dakota, which held the final primary of the Democratic race on June 3, Clinton hinted that she might not concede the nomination to Obama until the August nominating convention.
Hillary: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/23/hillaryclinton.barackobama


Hillary and Her supporters are always complaining and blaming everyone and everything under the roof for Her 2016 loss.
No matter what Bernie did to help Hillary it was never enough.


After the Democratic Convention Bernie Sanders campaigned for Hillary. He hosted 40 campaign events and rallies. I think he campaigned more for Her than she did for Herself.

bernie hillary rallies.pngForty campaign stops even though he knew the DNC had rigged the Primary against him in favor of Hillary.


Elizabeth Warren - Rigged 2016 Primary Against Bernie Sanders (Video)...

 

 


Nice answer. Trump will love it as there could be material he can use to stay in power and become full Dictator. If you want to win the election stay on Trump not Bernie. As time passes the Bernie supporters seem to be moving toward what the Trump enablers are except the Trump ones only put out what they are told by leadership. My post is the first hint in this back and forth that Trump is the problem.

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So much in love with publicity....(Bernie stayed in the race) long after the nomination for Hillary was a done-deal....

 

Candidates withdraw from the presidential race when the money dries up. Usually when the big donors or the corporate donors stop donating to the candidate's campaign.


Bernie stayed in the race because his small donors kept sending in their $27 donations. They wanted him in the race.


April 26, 2016


Sanders put out a statement congratulating Clinton on her wins and hinting that he would stay in through the convention to promote his driving issues: a $15 minimum wage, ending “disastrous” trade policies, and breaking up the big banks.


Hillary stooped low with Her justification for staying in the race against Barack Obama even though it appeared Obama had enough delegates to win the nomination.
Remember in 2008 Hillary cited the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as a justification to keep campaigning for president against Obama.
In a filmed meeting with editors of a newspaper in South Dakota, which held the final primary of the Democratic race on June 3, Clinton hinted that she might not concede the nomination to Obama until the August nominating convention.
Hillary: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/23/hillaryclinton.barackobama


Hillary and Her supporters are always complaining and blaming everyone and everything under the roof for Her 2016 loss.
No matter what Bernie did to help Hillary it was never enough.


After the Democratic Convention Bernie Sanders campaigned for Hillary. He hosted 40 campaign events and rallies. I think he campaigned more for Her than she did for Herself.

bernie hillary rallies.pngForty campaign stops even though he knew the DNC had rigged the Primary against him in favor of Hillary.


Elizabeth Warren - Rigged 2016 Primary Against Bernie Sanders (Video)...

 

 

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