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    When your daughter or grand daughter drops out of college because she was raped at the college / university and when she did the right thing and reported it to the College Admin, who under DeVos can say - not our problem....remember you words.      They are misogynistic.

    Next, if the Admin no longer has to acknowledge that the women who attend their institution are vulnerable to attacks by men - then women are attending those institutions trustingly...and we all know how well that turns out.    The RW has demonstrated a propensity for misogynistic behavior and then protection of their own kind - hence they just put a man on the supreme court who has been abusive to women.   ( don't bother with your white wash, most know it is a cover-up and why so many women ( college educated)  turned away from the republican party.   


There is nothing in there about "not our problem". it focuses on specific responsibility. It is off campus that the college administration is removed from control.

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@retiredtraveler wrote:

"...When your daughter or grand daughter drops out of college because she was raped at the college / university and when she did the right thing and reported it to the College Admin, who under DeVos can say - not our problem....remember you words.      They are misogynistic....".

 

It isn't her problem. Again, there is absolutely nothing I can find that shows that Title IX has reduced the harassment problem, or changed the attitude and behavior of college boys. You can't solve the problem at the fed level --- and they have not. No funds witheld, and virtually no compliance with the law. 

  This is a societal issue with young men lacking morals. Title IX can't fix it. It has to be done right there at the school. 


Seems the GOPerLords put out the word that their minions are to conflate the damage DeVos is doing to equality of opportunity in atheletics with her granting protections to those who rape college students.

 

These are two different outrages, two unique attacks on decency and equality and promoting the idea that anyone who is raped was asking for it. The absurd notion that somehow you cannot influence the behavior of college administrations by telling them if they do not create an atmosphere where rape victims are given support to bring their attackers to justice you do not get money from the Government is naive.

 

This is just another boil on the posterior of our society created by electing a sexual predator as POTUS and putting another on SCOTUS. 

 

DeVos's actions are also directed to protect the rich by eliminating what had become a Public Defender for the rape victims. Now only rich girls will have the resources to hire the legal representation to pursue their attackers, which is how Republicans think the World should work.

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  Please explain how Title IX is working

 

Perhpas it's better to explain what it is.

 

https://www.justice.gov/crt/overview-title-ix-education-amendments-1972-20-usc-1681-et-seq

 

Overview of Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972

On June 23, 1972, the President signed Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, 20 U.S.C. §1681 et seq., into law. Title IX is a comprehensive federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in any federally funded education program or activity. The principal objective of Title IX is to avoid the use of federal money to support sex discrimination in education programs and to provide individual citizens effective protection against those practices. Title IX applies, with a few specific exceptions, to all aspects of federally funded education programs or activities. In addition to traditional educational institutions such as colleges, universities, and elementary and secondary schools, Title IX also applies to any education or training program operated by a recipient of federal financial assistance. The Department of Education has issued regulations on the requirements of Title IX, 34 C.F.R. § 106.1et seq. The Title IX common rule published on August 30, 2000 covers education program providers/recipients that are funded by other federal agencies.

 

http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2018/09/12/campus-sexual-harassment-amy-carleton

 

Instead Of Protecting Victims, Title IX Changes Would Favor Institutions And Perpetrators

 

More than 250,000 college students arrived in Boston this month to begin their fall semester. According to data from the U.S. Department of Justice, 1 in 4 female students in this cohort, and more than 11 percent of all students, will be sexually assaulted before they graduate.

 

It’s in this context that we should consider U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’ new proposal regarding sexual violence on college campuses. As you may recall, last fall DeVos said that the Obama administration’s recommended enhanced protections for victims of sexual violence (first released in 2011) were a “disservice to everyone involved,” and rescinded them.

 

Now we have a glimpse into a policy draft that errs not on the side of victims, but on the side of perpetrators of sexual assault, while potentially benefiting a system — higher education — that is already not doing enough to protect the most vulnerable. If DeVos’ proposal becomes law, it would be to the detriment of victims and all students.

 

The Obama 2011 guidelines defined sexual harassment as any “unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature.” DeVos’ proposal changes the definition to:

 

… unwelcome conduct on the basis of sex that is so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive that it denies a person access to the school’s education program or activity.

Under DeVos’ proposed changes, institutions would only be required to investigate assaults that are reported to “an official who has the authority to institute corrective measures.” Even though the truth is, students are more likely to confide in a residential or faculty advisor with whom they have close contact. This is especially true for international students — who account for 1.2 million of those enrolled and who may have implicit cultural barriers (or explicit linguistic ones) that make it difficult to formally assert themselves via official administrative channels.

 

DeVos’ proposal also offers the possibility that those who are accused of assault would be permitted to cross-examine their alleged victims. This has been widely criticized by many including Jess Davidson, executive director of the nonprofit End Rape on Campus, who in a press release said, “To let survivors be cross-examined by a person who has violated them is downright cruel.”

 

And it is already difficult for students to come forward. As a graduate student, I watched a friend and classmate struggle over the decision to report a sexual harassment situation that was increasingly making her feel unsafe. She echoed the sentiment of many others when she said, "I just want that person to know the effect that this had on me and make sure they don't do it to someone else." The majority of students don't actually want to press charges. Requiring the reporting process to be more formal could eliminate the opportunity for such dialogue.

Devos’ proposed changes also suggest that institutions would only be required to investigate assaults that occurred on campus. This, despite the fact that only 14 percent of all college students — 25 percent of full-time students — live on campus. And given that 70 percent of all sexual assaults happen in a victim’s home or living quarters, the numbers don’t add up.

Finally, though these proposed changes are said to be sparked by a desire for across-the-board consistency, institutions would be able to craft their own evidentiary standards to rule on cases, which means that at the end of the day, there would be no consistent standards of practice.

 

Title IX, while not a panacea, is a far-reaching federal civil rights law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex at any institution receiving any kind of federal funding. Most schools, including colleges and universities, fall under this umbrella.

 

Title IX provides fundamental protections to all students — including guaranteeing equal access to all educational and other opportunities. But it is through its intersection with the Clery Act, which requires colleges and universities to report crime statistics and be proactive about campus safety, that Title IX means to protect victims of campus sexual assault. This is arguably Title IX’s most important provision.

 

Under current policies, colleges must notify students of counseling resources, provide alternative housing and instructional arrangements for victims per request, provide information about reporting options and procedures and notify students of case outcomes. While Title IX offers a jumping off point, much more can be done to provide an environment that empowers victims, without erasing them. The Obama-era recommendations were a step in the right direction.

 

As an educator and staunch student advocate, I believe that Secretary DeVos’ proposed policies not only run counter to an informed understanding of campus life but are also potentially dangerous, putting victims’ emotional and physical well-being at risk.

 

Thanks to #MeToo, the public has become more attuned to the pervasive and insidious nature of sexual violence, more sensitive to survivors, and aware that sexual and gender-based harassment is often implicit. DeVos’ proposal seems out of step with the transformation now occurring in public and professional spaces outside of academia.

 

In contrast, her changes do nothing to advance protection for victims, but instead reduce liability for the institutions that should stand behind them, while simultaneously bolstering the rights of those accused of assault, harassment or rape. That isn't progress.

 

This fall, more than 19 million students will attend college or university in the U.S. We should be expanding Title IX protections, not retracting them.

 

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The Obama 2011 guidelines defined sexual harassment as any “unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature.” DeVos’ proposal changes the definition to:

 

… unwelcome conduct on the basis of sex that is so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive that it denies a person access to the school’s education program or activity

 

Under the DeVos changes the unwelcome conduct on the basis of sex  ( sexual harassment ) has to be so severe it deprives them of the education they paid for ( runs them out of school )

 

Which means females have to just sit there and take it, or take matters into their own hands, or leave school.

 

After they are run off, then Title IX kicks in.

 

They close the barn door after the horse runs off.

 

Except it's not a horse, it's a person who has paid for an education they were deprived of because boys will be boys.

 

If the boys can't control themselves because they have raging hormones, or they drink to much beer, or they are immature, or they're just misogynist.

 

Shouldn't they be the ones run off, and not the objects of their unwelcome  " affections "?

 

 

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This isn’t just about college. And it’s not just about students. It applies to elementary and secondary schools too. It applies to faculty and staff.  If the high school science teacher sexually harasses your teenage daughter, he can do it with impunity now, unless the “unwelcome conduct on the basis of sex that is so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive that it denies a person access to the school’s education program or activity.” Who’s going to decide what’s pervasive? He can only grab her **** once? Or twice?  How many times before it’s considered pervasive?  

 

And if if she is brave enough to lodge a complaint, she’s going to have to go through a whole lot more to prove it happened, in order to get reasonable protection on school grounds.  Good luck trying to get her moved out of his class.

 

 

 

 

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@retiredtravelersaid :
...Why is everyone a victim? Take personal responsibility for your life..."

If I'm reading this right are the girls AND boys victims?
If I am how is a boy a victim?

That's a general sentiment I have about life in general. That's why it's my signature. Not attached to any issue in particular. Just a philosophy that few people in this country act like adults and take charge of their lives. The majority of people (imho) go through their lives doing little to nothing to advance their health, further their education, or handle their general welfare (largely meaning personal finance). 

  Too many people just 'show up' for life, not taking charge or resonsibility.

Obviously, it's mostly a contradition to your sig about 'living for today'. I have always planned for the future since I was young.


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@retiredtraveler said :
...Why is everyone a victim? Take personal responsibility for your life..."

If I'm reading this right are the girls AND boys victims?
If I am how is a boy a victim?
Live For Today, No One is Guaranteed a TOMORROW !
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 ".... You must have also missed the part where colleges were given permission by DeVos to narrowed their focus - only on campus - so women must go the police and ER's.     Perhaps you believe that that is no big deal.   Ask anyone who is  / or has worked in the field who deal with rape victims if they are hesitant to report and why.....".  

 

I believe you missed the point. College campuses don't need 'permission' from DeVos or Dept of Education. It's a local matter. They handle it. If a college is concerned, they can set up their own department to handle these situations. High schools have counselors that deal with many problems. If it's beyond them, they bring in help (such as grief counselors after major incidents).

  We'll agree to disagree. I simply believe any institution can set up their own devices to handle an issue. No fed interference, or 'permission' is needed.

  When the students decide it's not enough, they will respond by leaving or choosing other institutions that tout their ability to handle sexual misconduct. Institutions always have the ability to address issues, or ignore them. 


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@gruffstuff
Oh my, do you think all the money we are paying for her security may also be KEEPING HER FROM BEING ATTACKED AND **********RAPED? **********

I really hate to say it, but it would serve them right if it was a female IN THEIR FAMILY who gets raped, then they would know exactly how it feels. She doesn't gives a rats a ************* about these girls and I sure hope come election day ALL WOMEN remember this and they vote Dem. again.

But you have to remember the P******************** Grabber appointed her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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   Sorry traveler, you missed or ignored the point entirely.    College educated women know what they survived and want it to end.    Perhaps some missed the entire point of the Woman's March.   

   You must have also missed the part where colleges were given permission by DeVos to narrowed their focus - only on campus - so women must go the police and ER's.     Perhaps you believe that that is no big deal.   Ask anyone who is  / or has worked in the field who deal with rape victims if they are hesitant to report and why.   

     It sounds like "blame the women for provocative dressing"  - that is misogynistic, regardless of political ideology.

    

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"....The RW has demonstrated a propensity for misogynistic behavior and then protection of their own kind - hence they just put a man on the supreme court who has been abusive to women. ( don't bother with your white wash, most know it is a cover-up and why so many women ( college educated) turned away from the republican party....".

 

Exactly fits with my Libertarian leanings. Bad behavior has consequences if people get involved. So, women are turning away from the Repub party. They don't need a law --- they need, and are, educated in the issues and voting with their feet.

  That is the way it must happen on college campuses. Involved students and parents going to social media, or to the press, to protest what is happening on a particular campus.  


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