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Now think about what happened in Australia. In 1996, they passed some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world. As time went on, they found it necessary to take those laws even further to cover gaps that were missed. And yet, Australians still hunt, and they still have shooting clubs, and go about their business. 

 

Australia went some 22 years without a mass shooting. Not only that, but their murder and suicide rates dropped significantly. Australia is one of the safest countries on the planet, and last I heard, democracy is very much alive and well!

 

All we’re talking about is banning two stupid guns that should never have been put on the market in the first place. And the only reason they are is because the gun mfrs had a friend in Dick Cheney, who saw to it that they could up their profit margins, and Bush 43 allowed the assault weapons ban to expire.

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Think about what happened in Germany.


Indeed .... Trump's hate filled rhetoric should make us all "think about what happened in Germany" due to Hitler's hate filled rhetoric.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/

How the Nazis Used Gun Control
By STEPHEN P. HALBROOK
December 2, 2013 9:00 AM

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.
The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.


In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.


SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

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As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Think about what happened in Germany.


You better reread your support article as it tells you what I told you only in more detail. In 1931 Hitler was in the process of taking over and your article tells us the Jews were the group picked to hate and destroy. In the USA it is the brown and black people. It tells us Werner B was the person who did it and later became a high in the G. Well Steven Miller fills that spot with Trump now. The part we all hear about with the supporters is called Chrystal Night when the supporters were rounded up and jailed or killed. The ones they got were all armed as part of the Hitler Militia. The original Brown Shirts.

Thanks for supplying support to what Hitler did so all can see Trump is doing the same thing. Now do you still support Dictator Trump.  Hitler and trump one in the same. 

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/

How the Nazis Used Gun Control
By STEPHEN P. HALBROOK
December 2, 2013 9:00 AM

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.
The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.


In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.


SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

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As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

=========================================================





Think about what happened in Germany.

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@john258 wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Beto: Yes were are going to take your AR47 & AK47

And how can do that? Go house to house ...sounds like what happened in Germany in the 1930's.


You left out when it happened in Germany. It happened after Hitler took total control, and most of the people effected were his followers. Most of it took place in one night as he got rid of the supporters he did not need any more. Have no fear that time will come in the USA if Trump gains the full power of Dictator.


The gutless draft-dodging wuss has ALREADY exercised more Dictatorial power than any US President - Hilter had the Government buy a copy of Mein Kaump to give to every newly wed German couple, and it made him a rich man. Bonespurso WUSSonlin sends Government employees and military to his grossly overpriced hotels and has the Saudis and other nations book hundreds of rooms in his failing properties.

 

ToadPOTUS orders his toady at Dept of Commerace to fire SCIENTISTS who disagree with Der Trumper when he LIED about a hurricane. He REFUSES to respond to Congressional inquiries and orders all in his administration to do likewise.

 

He's packed the SCOTUS with FASCISTS and has welcomed the Nazis, KKK and White Supremacists into the Republican Party praising them as good people when they KILL his opponents.

 

And the Rep[ublican Party supports him 100%, blocking any and all legislation he does not give prior approval for, turning the Senate into a legislative  lap dog for his ego instead of a guard dog for our freedoms.

 

VOTE OUT ALL REPUBLICANS - Your grandkids future depends on it.

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Beto: Yes were are going to take your AR47 & AK47

And how can do that? Go house to house ...sounds like what happened in Germany in the 1930's.


There were no such weapons in existence in 1930s Germany KidBoy2.

But there sure was the same hate filled rhetoric that Trump spews today!!!

 

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Beto: Yes were are going to take your AR47 & AK47

And how can do that? Go house to house ...sounds like what happened in Germany in the 1930's.


You left out when it happened in Germany. It happened after Hitler took total control, and most of the people effected were his followers. Most of it took place in one night as he got rid of the supporters he did not need any more. Have no fear that time will come in the USA if Trump gains the full power of Dictator.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

NOTHAPPENING:   That's exactly the position of the Progressive regressives to take all guns away, but he did soft pedal it by only mentioning AKs and ARs.

 

 

Lol, still peddling that myth? Of course you are, it's set in Sakrete by now. Btw, the same cr*p was thrown around during Obama's presidency and nothing happened. I wonder if he just forgot, or didn't have time to get around to it? ROFL


You must have heard that whispered amongst your liberal friends that the plan was to rid this country of the Second Amendment incrementally piece by piece?  You must get out more often.

 

Now I'm laughing!


Me too .... Laughing at a totally absurd accusation!!!


It wasn't an accusation to you but a comment to you.  Pay closer attention myexper or are you cent (posting every few words in blue).


myexper is much, much smarter than "cent".  Always has been; always will be....

 

signed,

"cent"


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@rker321 wrote:

@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

Do you object to owning an AR-15 or any type of firearm by responsible owners because of the actions of a very few?

 

Before I answer your question I would like to ask you, to what purpose a responsible owner has for owning any of such guns? They collect them? They hunt with them? they shoot with them? The purpose is impoftant. so what is their purpose?


 


That has no bearing on the question I asked about RESPONSIBLE owners.  I would think that being a RESPONSIBLE owner it would be in line with applicable laws within a constitutional framework.


SMH.....

 

All owners are responsible owners until they aren't.  All of them....


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And wouldn’t “responsible” gun owners support background checks. 

 


What makes you think that they don't? 

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