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Could be all should learn from what happened after the last election gave us Dictator Trump. Yes it was a hard fought primary campaign on both sides. After Clinton was chosen Bernie did come out and support her, and he did have an effect on the Dem platform for whatever that means. You should all remember that Jill Stein was at the Dem. Convention recruiting for her campaign. Why as that is something you have not seen before. The new thing added to the full election was Russia. Russia was active on the Reb. side directly to get Trump elected as we now know. What we do not have the full story on is what Russia did on the Dem side to get Trump elected. We do know Russia used Jill Stein on the Dem side to draw votes away from Clinton, and did do things to counter what Bernie was telling his supporters. In the swing states look at the Jill vote and you find if the Bernie supporters followed what Bernie said to them Trump would not be President. The B supporters who did not vote have to be figured in to the final results. Russia will be trying again this time to get their servant Trump elected again so they will try to use the Bernie supporters again if he does not become the nominee. This time lets hope they are not stupid like last time, and that applies to the supporters of others running in the Dem. primary. Less back and forth on who you will or will not support would be a start. Let all make up their own mind.

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@MaVolta wrote:

I do not support Bernie Sanders, and I hope that he does not get the nomination. I do not share his vision or his ideology. However, if he does get the nomination, I will vote for him, as opposed to the completely amoral Trump, but I don't believe Sanders will win.

 

My take - Clinton sounds like a woman scorned, and apparently, she continues to blame Sanders for her loss. We know that there were many Sanders' supporters to either voted for Trump, or didn't vote at all, even though Sanders eventually endorsed her. There was bitterness on both sides.

 

I think it's very clear that she does not want Sanders to be the nominee of a party to which he has never belonged. I agree to the extent that a party nominee should be a member of said party. But why bring it up now? The first priority of any Democrat should be the defeat of Donald Trump in 2020, including the Clintons.

 


I agree, there should be no bitterness harbored after a candidate wins the primary. Everyone supporting one of the candidates in the Democratic Primary needs to stick together and vote for whomever the winner is. And yes, that includes the Clintons.


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I do not support Bernie Sanders, and I hope that he does not get the nomination. I do not share his vision or his ideology. However, if he does get the nomination, I will vote for him, as opposed to the completely amoral Trump, but I don't believe Sanders will win.

 

My take - Clinton sounds like a woman scorned, and apparently, she continues to blame Sanders for her loss. We know that there were many Sanders' supporters to either voted for Trump, or didn't vote at all, even though Sanders eventually endorsed her. There was bitterness on both sides.

 

I think it's very clear that she does not want Sanders to be the nominee of a party to which he has never belonged. I agree to the extent that a party nominee should be a member of said party. But why bring it up now? The first priority of any Democrat should be the defeat of Donald Trump in 2020, including the Clintons.

 

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And Hillary lovers seem to make it all about Bernie.

 

In reality, many things are said in primary campaigns by all candidates.  Hillary attacked others, including Bernie. Most of the candidates attacked others, unfortunately.

 

Truth and reality is that when all the smoke cleared after Hillary won the nomination, Bernie Sanders urged all of his supporters to get behind Hillary and vote for her. Deny that reality if you want but it is the truth. I supported Bernie in the 2016 primary and voted for Hillary .......... and I got emails from Sanders urging me to do so. I didn't do it because of the emails but they were sent just the same.

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Then he started making claims that the party he wasn't a member of ... was being unfair to him. He even wrote a letter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz making that claim and threatened a floor fight at the convention if he didn’t get his way.  
There were countless examples of these petty, mean-spirited things he did.  

 

Imagine that. Hillary and Her supporters continue to blame Bernie for Her loss to Trump.

 

Bernie did everything that could be expected. He endorsed Her and held 40 campaign events FOR Hillary even though he knew the DNC rigged the Democratic Primary against him.

Bernie got Hillary the 3 million-plus votes she needed to beat Trump (polpular vote) and yet Hillary and Her supporters still complain. Imagine that.

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What's the Democratic Primary rigged?

 

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@JANMB wrote:

The HILLARY HATERS want to make this all about HILLARY  again....they LOVE It

 


And Hillary lovers seem to make it all about Bernie.

 

In reality, many things are said in primary campaigns by all candidates.  Hillary attacked others, including Bernie. Most of the candidates attacked others, unfortunately.

 

Truth and reality is that when all the smoke cleared after Hillary won the nomination, Bernie Sander urged all of his supporters to get behind Hillary and vote for her. Deny that reality if you want but it is the truth. I supported Bernie in the 2016 primary and voted for Hillary .......... and I got emails from Sanders urging me to do so. I didn't do it because of the emails but they were sent just the same.

 

I hope that in this next election voters supporting a candidate of their choice in the Democratic Primary get behind and vote for the winner of the primary, regardless of who it is. If they don't, it increases the chances of tRump winning again.


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The HILLARY HATERS want to make this all about HILLARY  again....they LOVE It when they get something they can rant about.....and her being a democrat doesn't matter to them..

It's OKAY if a non-democrat  male like BERNIE   isn't a SAINT....but a woman needs to be and  how anxious are some to point out that she missed the mark..... 


We already KNOW Sanders voted against moderate gun control 5 times & is a weak senator only getting 5 bills passed in near 30 years ...fulfilling the NRA individuals in VT's wishes.   

 

Sanders    was responsible for his own behavior however. when  he started losing and lashing out last time  .when he didn't get endorsements and he started insulting the organizations that didn’t endorse him.
When Planned Parenthood stood with Hillary who had always stood by P P , he called them establishment which by then he had defined to mean "anyone who isn’t me."
Sanders claimed Hillary wasn’t qualified despite her clear record being qualified and doubled down until the wave of outrage pushed him back slightly.
Then he started making claims that the party he wasn't a member of ... was being unfair to him. He even wrote a letter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz making that claim and threatened a floor fight at the convention if he didn’t get his way.  
There were countless examples of these petty, mean-spirited things he did.  
He trashes the Democratic Party yet he uses it....calling him self a democratic socialist or something he or other cult members invented....
SO let him be nominated....Steve Smidth a former republican strategist warned   A SOCIOPATH WILL BEAT A SOCIALIST EVERY TIME>   No wonder T RUMP is praising Bernie........ 

 

 

 

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My take on this:


By attacking Bernie with ridiculous claims Hillary is just trying to grab some headlines as she promotes Her new documentary to be shown on Hulu.

The media goes along and Hillary laughs all the way to the bank.


Hillary is good at promotion - and making money.


Back in October, in the middle of Her book tour with Her daughter, she made some outrageous claims about Tulsi Gabbard being a Russian asset. Excellent way to excite her fans to purchase her book(s).
But, whatever money she makes from these self-promotions, it will cost Her in legal fees.


Tulsi Gabbard Files $50M Lawsuit Against Hillary Clinton for ‘Russian Asset’ Claim


https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-files-50m-lawsuit-141555542.html

 

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Oh boy, did Hillary Clinton create a **bleep**show today. Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, she said, “I will say, however, that it's not only [Bernie Sanders], it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it.” The response from Bernie world has been predictable—they can dish but they can’t receive. As Hilary Rosen reminded us, 

 

 

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Umm does anyone remember that @BernieSanders called @HillaryClinton corrupt, unqualified, an illegitimate winner of the primary and then let his supporters try to ruin her nominating convention? Cause I do.

 

 
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Still, all of that is fine. Things are heated in a primary. It happens. It certainly happened in 2016 in the Republican primary as well. Primaries are the time to hash this intraparty stuff out. However, asked whether she would support Bernie Sanders if he got the nomination, Clinton responded, “I'm not going to go there yet.” That is unacceptable.

No matter what you think about the candidates, once the party base speaks, we all come together. I am clearly and unapologetically an Elizabeth Warren supporter, but I will enthusiastically work hard for whoever our nominee is. Even if it’s Joe Biden, which would be the hardest pill for me to swallow. But if the alternative is Donald Trump? It’s no contest. There are kids in cages. That trumps everything else. 

But maybe Clinton is being clever here. 

Fact: Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat. Fact: He never enthusiastically embraced Clinton after she won the nomination in 2016. His grumpy face during Clinton’s nomination moment at the Democratic convention that year was unmistakable in its disdain—disdain that his delegates fed off as they repeatedly disrupted the convention. Fact: It is Bernie supporters who propagate hashtags like #NeverWarren and litter her Twitter mentions with emojis of snakes. Fact: 10% of Bernie Sanders supporters in 2016 voted for Trump—the literal opposite of what Sanders stands for—and why? The idea of party unity was utterly incomprehensible to them. 

Yet if he gets the nomination, there’s no way Sanders wins without a unified party. Just as he and his supporters kneecapped Clinton in 2016, turnabout would have just as disastrous an outcome if he was on the receiving end. That should be so **bleep**ing obvious, it’s unbelievable that we even have to discuss it. 

Bernie Sanders was wrong in not unambiguously embracing Hillary Clinton in 2016 (as she did embrace Barack Obama at the 2008 convention); it is wrong for Clinton to do the same to Sanders in 2020. If there’s one place where two wrongs don’t make a right, it’s here, on the subject of defeating Trump. 

The only way that Clinton’s take can be deemed to be clever and helpful is if it forces Sanders and his supporters to suddenly embrace the benefits of party unity. It is wrong for them to take a “Bernie or Bust” trajectory. But it is also wrong for any other Democrat to undercut a nominated Sanders. Makes sense? 

No matter who our nominee is, we come together for the good of our country and the entire world. Nothing else is acceptable. Too much is at stake. 

In that vein, Sanders’ response was a missed opportunity:

 

 

Amanda Terkel
 
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Bernie Sanders responds to Hillary: "My focus today is on a monumental moment in American history: the impeachment trial of Donald trump. Together, we are going to go forward and defeat the most dangerous president in American history.”

 

 
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On the plus side, he didn’t fuel the fire. Smart, in its own way. He gains nothing in engaging in a **bleep**-for-tat feud with Clinton. It doesn’t win him new supporters, and it threatens to further alienate other Democrats that he needs to win, both in the primary and in the general election. 

On the negative side, it’s a missed opportunity to lay the groundwork for party unity. Maybe Sanders has no interest in it. It clearly isn’t part of his core identity. He has no allegiance to the Democratic Party, beyond using it as a vehicle when convenient. 

But we aren’t going to win divided. It’s a 50-50 nation. Seven states will decide this thing (Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin), and they’re all balanced on a razor’s edge. Anything less than 100% participation by liberals and allies means another four years of Trump. 

Sanders should argue that we must come together for him if he’s the nominee, just as we should all come together if Warren or, god help us, Biden is the nominee. We don't have any other choice. 

 

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