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I can see a Bernie / Warren ticket being unbeatable.

 

I can see a Bernie / Tulsi ticket as unbeatable against Trump - no matter what types of names Trump throws out there.

 

Combine the anti-Trump Democrats with Bernie's mass movement and it's over for Trump.

 

 

 

 

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@williamb39198 wrote:

@CriticalThinking 

Really agree with you. Although, I do not dislike Bernie, and feel that at best he is a 50/50 shot to beat trump, maybe. 
But, there are a couple of places that I would be concerned. 
Bernie has quite a loyal following. If Bernie has real party loyalty, and he is not the candidate, will he support and encourage his supporters to support the party candidate? Not sure that this support took place in 2016. 
And secondly, how much energy and money will trump put into tagging Bernie as a socialist...even though it would be a false accusation, like it is a crime. 


Trump is now dishonestly referring to Bernie as a "Communist".

 

Republicans will run that up their crooked pole while looking the other way on the real fact that it is Trump who worships and praises "Communist" dictators!

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@williamb39198 wrote:

So whether thru like or dislike of Hillary in the 2016 election...are Democrats asking or figuring out how to maintain the 3 million extra popular votes, how to make up for the 90,000 vote loss thru the rust belt states, will more voters get out to vote, how many might defect in a protest vote, and how about potential millions of votes going to Libertarian or Green Party candidates?

There are a lot of votes to make up for, no matter who the candidate is. And yes how to contend with the racist electoral college!


Bernie draws crowds. Bernie will get the vote out. Bernie will get the young vote out. Feel the Bern !


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So whether thru like or dislike of Hillary in the 2016 election...are Democrats asking or figuring out how to maintain the 3 million extra popular votes, how to make up for the 90,000 vote loss thru the rust belt states, will more voters get out to vote, how many might defect in a protest vote, and how about potential millions of votes going to Libertarian or Green Party candidates?

There are a lot of votes to make up for, no matter who the candidate is. And yes how to contend with the racist electoral college!

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Hillary was living in the past:

 

Hit the Big Money Funderaisers. Bring in the best "Bundlers". Bring in the best campaign strategists money can buy. The best smear artists. Load the DNC with your friends. Set up the SuperDelegates in your favor. And do as your advisors say. It, she thought, was a perfect winning formula. Then came Bernie. Then came Trump. 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

I think Bernie supporters do not understand the dynamics of the 2016 election. Hillary did NOT lose because she was a Centrist candidate. She lost for an array of reasons, essentially running a terrible campaign. Despite all of her mistakes, she won the popular vote by around 3 million. 

 


Yep, Hillary won the popular vote and she did run a terrible campaign. Doesn't change what's happening today. I believe that Bernie would have beat trump in 2016 and I think he can this fall, in spite of the scare word "socialist". One thing is for sure, I would rather have a Democrat pushing for social issues than any Republican out there or for any Democrat not willing to raise taxes back up on Billionaires or reform our campaign funding.


I know you hate it when I contradict you. but, yes, Bernie wins as a Candidate and will see 4 more years of Trump. .
I cannot vote in the primaries. as you must know, but, It is very difficult for me to see how again the Democrats will loose another elections. sorry that you don't see that.

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Hillary was too dumb, or too hard headed, to admit her private email server was a bonehead mistake. She spent the entire campaign trying to defend that stupid decision. In the end, it cost her the election. Every time her name was mentioned in 2016, the private email server was mentioned. Comey put the final touches on her. 

 

She barely visited some of the key midwest battleground states, assuming they were a lock. She was overconfident and it cost her big time. I think if she had won Michigan or Wisconsin, she would have been the president.

 

Twenty years of right wing propaganda directed at Hillary made her one of the most hated politicians in our lifetime. Many people voted for Trump because they hated her.

 

She never related to the voter. She focused on issues while voters focus on emotions and feelings. 

 

In the final analysis, being a centrist candidate had nothing to do with her loss. 

 

 

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Hillary lost to the least favorable candidate, since they began polling favorable ratings. As bad as Trump was, people voted for him because he was not the Status Quo.

 

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

I think Bernie supporters do not understand the dynamics of the 2016 election. Hillary did NOT lose because she was a Centrist candidate. She lost for an array of reasons, essentially running a terrible campaign. Despite all of her mistakes, she won the popular vote by around 3 million. 

 


Yep, Hillary won the popular vote and she did run a terrible campaign. Doesn't change what's happening today. I believe that Bernie would have beat trump in 2016 and I think he can this fall, in spite of the scare word "socialist". One thing is for sure, I would rather have a Democrat pushing for social issues than any Republican out there or for any Democrat not willing to raise taxes back up on Billionaires or reform our campaign funding.


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I think Bernie supporters do not understand the dynamics of the 2016 election. Hillary did NOT lose because she was a Centrist candidate. She lost for an array of reasons, essentially running a terrible campaign. Despite all of her mistakes, she won the popular vote by around 3 million. 

 

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