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Oh the beginning of the silly season!! The time when the only democracy is the two party system.  When they decided who will be the options and now run against the opponent. Then all of a sudden they want to hear from all the "others" (Independents/ non-party and the like). NO?  The outsider's comments and concerns really didn't matter up until the voting starts, no?  All the "others" are not allowed to vote in the primaries, but darn it we need your vote, no? Like the saying goes...."sit down, buckle up and shut up" a/k/a dismissed!  Then they ask...."how can we get more people out to vote?", huh imagine that!!!

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2/24/19  bernie came to indpls, ind in 2015/2016.  enjoyed his speeches

however, i think he maybe alittle to old.  i guess he could make sure he

has a very young vice.  and she be a female. Ha!

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Especially now more than ever. the two new Justices are Constitutionalists. meaning that they interpret the Constitution as written./

And I heard the full confirmation of the previous JUstice and they asked him the question about Citizens United, and his response send chills to my spine and how those people interprete the constitution.

 

And how people interpret Citizens United.

 

It's bad enough Citizens United exists, but some have searched for loopholes to raise Citizens United to a whole new level.

 

The majority opinion in Citizens United, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, laid out a principle reason for allowing unlimited spending by corporations and unions: It would be done independently from candidates’ campaigns, and thus would not be corrupting. But many campaign finance watchdogs say that firewall is eroding at a quick pace.


Launched as a stand-alone group in 2015 and based in Washington, D.C., Correct the Record is part of a collection of political committees and nonprofits connected to David Brock, a one-time Clinton foe who in recent years has become one of her most loyal advocates.


Blurring the Line


Although federal law prohibits super PACs from coordinating paid messaging with the candidates they support, Correct the Record was working intimately with Hillary Clinton’s own campaign operation. For example, the Clinton campaign had paid Correct the Record nearly $300,000 for “research” work.


Correct the Record asserted it could legally coordinate with the Clinton campaign as long as it stuck to internet communications and didn’t pay for TV or radio ads. Brock ran multiple PACs supporting Hillary during the 2016 campaign cycle.


“They are pioneers in a certain sense,” said Brendan Fischer of the Campaign Legal Center. “There is every reason to believe [other] super PACs will follow the path laid down by these super PACs and will seek to exploit the same loopholes that they asserted. The wall between super PACs and campaigns is crumbling and will continue to crumble.”


Open Secrets:


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/01/citizens-united-7-years-later/


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https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/pro-hillary-clinton-super-pac-accepted-illegal-contribu...

 

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Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders

repeatedly railed against the negative

impact of Citizens United.

(Robin Buckson/The Detroit News via AP)

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Scout  I agree with you on many points, Bernie perhaps needs to clarify his policies. and really tell the country and his followers what he means by Medicare for all, and Free college education for all and the termination of citizens united.

Many of those ideas may be good but it will depend on the implementation and in the clarification of those policies and how they could be implemented.

 Sometimes I do blame Bernie for putting out there ideas that are somehow fantastic and that will never be able to be implemented.

He will have to be very careful on how he explains his policies. but for now, I will wait for a more traditional  candidate that is going to  be able to implement policies that are perhaps more humble but potentialy can be implemented.

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So far as I can tell, Bernie has never proposed a "SOCIALIST" program in his entire political life. If someone has an example where he advanced the notion of Government control of major industries, please trot it out for all to see, and please bear in mind REGULATION is NOT control.

 

From 1934 until 1965, the TMR was 91% BUT because of all the deductions and loopholes (carried interest, deferred income, etc) the average return in the top bracket paid and EFFECTIVE rate of only 38% of total income. When the TMR was cut to 70% and a bunch of loopholes/deductions went away, the EFFECTIVE rate droped to 28%.  Meanwhile, the average citizen was paying vitrually NOTHING because the Standard Deduction and personal deductions equaled or exceeded the average income. The beauty of this was the deficit was virtually zero, and we were on a path to begin REDUCING the debt while maintaining our infrastructure and keeping higher education affordable for all.

 

Republicans under Reagan changed that scenerio so the TMR was cut to 28%, reducing income for the top bracket taxes paid by 60% while the tax paid by the average citizen increased by 47% because of the loss of deductions and the increase in the bottom rates. Reagan TRIPLED the Debt and we're still shelling our $120B each year for maintenance of what he added.jrbush DOUBLED the debt, adding $250B every year plus $5 TRILLION for the wars he lied us into.

 

We need a tax structure that pays for things Americans need and citizens of every other Democracy already have - universal health care, dignified retirement and excellent, affordable education. We can do all that and more by repealing the Reagan tax scam. Or we can continue to redistribute income and wealth from the middle to the very top until there's no more middle.

 

Question is simple: are we willing to live like Oliver Twist so 1% can live like Downton Abbey?

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@rker321 wrote:

Especially now more than ever. the two new Justices are Constitutionalists. meaning that they interpret the Constitution as written./

And I heard the full confirmation of the previous JUstice and they asked him the question about Citizens United, and his response send chills to my spine and how those people interprete the constitution.


Do not forget there is supposed to be a backdoor agreement between at least one of them and Trump which could come into play so all should have more than chills.

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Especially now more than ever. the two new Justices are Constitutionalists. meaning that they interpret the Constitution as written./

And I heard the full confirmation of the previous JUstice and they asked him the question about Citizens United, and his response send chills to my spine and how those people interprete the constitution.

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NY Times writer Maureen Dowd wrote a book containing all her articles she wrote throughout the 2016 campaign. One of them stood out. It was a fictional encounter between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary after Warren endorsed her. It was an amusing article. I thought I'd share it:


Girl Squad
By Maureen Dowd
June 11, 2016


WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton greets Elizabeth Warren in the cream-and-coral sunroom of her home on Embassy Row.
“Elizabeth, welcome,” Clinton says, smiling stiffly. “I was worried that you were lost since it was taking you so-o-o-o long to finally get here.”


“Hahaha,” Warren replies. “I’ve always heard you’re a hoot in private. I know I was the last Democratic woman in the Senate to endorse you but Bernie and I have more in common. We don’t buckrake on Wall Street. People are enthusiastic about us and believe what we say. We’re pure.”


“Pure scolds,” Hillary sniffs. “I guess it hit you, when you saw me fighting for my life against a dyspeptic 74-year-old socialist with one suit, that if you had jumped in, you could have been the first woman president.”


“Yes,” Warren muses. “I only loaned Bernie my progressive hordes. I’m the real leader of that movement.”


“Not anymore,” Hillary says.


Warren sighs. “True, my faithful are peeved at me for not running and for endorsing you instead of Bernie.”


Hillary pours herself some coffee. “I know you’re intrigued by the idea of being my vice president,” she says. “I heard you tell our gal Rachel Maddow that you’re prepared to be commander in chief. But you know I can’t put you on the ticket, don’t you?”


“Because the country isn’t ready for two wonky women for the price of one?” Warren asks dryly.


“No,” Hillary says, biting her biscotti, “I’m not ready. You, the so-called Sheriff of Wall Street, attacked me as the Shill of Wall Street. Why should you get the glass slipper when you were foot-dragging on my glass-shattering moment?”


Warren protests, “I went up against that loud, nasty, thin-skinned, mud-flinging, money-grubbing, racist, sexist, reckless, pathetic loser Trump. You were flailing around, not knowing how to take on that repugnant bully until I showed you the way on Twitter.”


“Yeah,” Hillary says sarcastically, “you’re a big help on Twitter. Trump is tweeting out video from 2004 where you’re trashing me as ‘the scary part about democracy’ for taking campaign donations from the banking industry and then voting for an anti-consumer bankruptcy bill that would have helped the credit card companies.”


Warren smiles primly, sipping her Pellegrino. “Speaking of credit, you have to give me some for this: In my last book, I left out the stuff I had in my previous one about you being an unprincipled sellout.

“You know all the Democrats want me on the ticket to add some sizzle since the crowds you draw wouldn’t even fill this couch. I know you are afraid I will overshadow you and I will. But I can help you reel in all the young women who find you more shifty than nifty. And the Bernie Bros dig me.”


“Thanks, Pocahontas,” Hillary replies, looking steely. “I can do some things on my own. I did manage to secure a spot in the Ivy League without pretending to be Native American. I hope you noticed that I’ve decorated my house in all the colors of the wind.”


Warren bristles, Church Lady-style: “You have done a fine job here, except that one painting looks crooked, Hillary. I’m surprised you don’t have oil portraits of Goldman and Sachs. And let me give you some free advice: Now that Bernie and I have forced you to address income inequality, you might want to hide that $12,495 tweed Armani jacket you wore on the trail in the back of your closet.”


The senator from Massachusetts stands up. “Where’s the bathroom?” she asks. “Can I squeeze in there with the server?”


Hillary gives that big laugh that indicates she is not amused. “No need to go on the warpath,” she says in her best Cersei manner. “Let’s bury the hatchet — in The Donald.”


Warren exhales and sits back down: “You’re right. The sisterhood has to be united in supporting the first woman leading a major ticket against the worst misogynist leading a major ticket. Can you believe Trump said he broke the glass ceiling by promoting women in construction? The only glass he knows is the mirror.


Hillary ushers her guest to the door. “We’re going to be a great girl squad,” she says, squeezing Warren’s hand. “It will be so easy to beat this airhead. Sorry to cut this short. I need to call Tim Kaine. But I will dictate a nice tweet about you.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/opinion/sunday/girl-squad.html

 

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GaiL1, I do not speak for Bernie Sanders or others running for the Presidency.  I am humbled with my humility today! 

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@L42010 

 

Just make sure that when you digest the article which you posted that you read the EPI study and conclusion - they go hand in hand.

 

I hear a lot of complaining here and a lot from Bernie and other Democrats running but few sound ways to fix the problems.

 

The TCJA followed the PPACA in limiting the tax deductibility of CEO performance pay -  President Trump with this TCJA just expanded it to all corporations from just the insurers as Obamacare did.

The EPI does not think this is the answer as proven by their look at the insurers but more research will be done after the Trump tax plan in this area is there for a few years.

 

Let me know what Bernie's solution(s) is/are to this problem.


* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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