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You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Your missing the point............

 

We have several National Democratic Socialist Programs that a Majority of Americans Support

 

A Majority of Americans when polled today support even more National Democratic Socialist Programs like Medicare For All

 

There is No Majority of Americans who support Trump as our President or a 1.5 Trillion Trump/GOP Tax Break for the Richest Americans & Corporations

 

So what you seem to be supporting is Kleptocracy instead of Democracy

 

Democracy reflects the will of a majority of the people

 

Kleptocracy reflects the will of a few financially rich & politically powerful people

 

Which of the two do you support?

 

Which point did I miss - the one about non taxpayers approving of others paying more or the bleeding hearts?

 

 

 

 


 


Well - you've missed a lot of points - but mainly the Fact that

 

A Majority of Working Americans - Americans who are not living off a Stock Portfolio or Trust Fund

 

Do not Favor Tax Breaks for the Rich - in fact the Vast Majority of Working Americans & Seniors who have worked their entire lives - support the Richest Individuals & Corporations paying a lot more in Taxes

 

Most voters don’t share the centrist preferences of Washington’s comfortable pundit class.

 

Most voters want to raise taxes on the rich and corporations.

 

They favor generous Medicare and Social Security, expanded Medicaid, more financial aid for college, a higher minimum wage and a bigger government role in job creation.

 

Remember, Trump won the Republican nomination as a populist. A clear majority of Americans wants the government to respond aggressively to our economic problems.

 

Source - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/opinion/big-economic-ideas.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clic...

 

When did I miss the fact that most people do not live off of stocks? 

 

Approval of the rich paying a larger portion in taxes - I didn't miss that. It is the way it is today.

 

When did I miss something about pundits?

 

As to a lot of people wanting more paid for by others - I didn't miss that in fact I addressed it.

 

So again, "Your missing the point............" - what point????


 


Again - Remember, Trump won the Republican nomination as a populist. A clear majority of Americans wants the government to respond aggressively to our economic problems.

 

Trumps Response to our Economic Problems was to kick a even bigger Debt and Deficit Can down the road for my Children and Grandchildren to be responsible for - that BTW is another example of a - Political Gambit by Trump instead of Presidential Leadership

 

So your feigned concern for - "other people paying" - is just that - Faux

 

I saw nothing about wealth redistribution in his campaign messages.

 

Yes, the debt is a problem - what spending cuts would you propose?

 

 

 

 

 


 

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Please!!!!!!!!!    you all are going  off topic and then the Moderators will close this thread. please simply answer to the subject of this Topic.

Bernie  Sanders for president?

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@MaVolta  Yeah, I think you summed it up pretty good.  Then we hear how many claim to be of the Christian faith (mindset)!!!  I don't think so.....


Ah, the Christian faith again. I would remind everyone that the Christian faith as well as other faiths are very individual, not collective. They assign responsibilities on people that cannot be satisfied by going to the voting booth to vote for candidates that promise to use somebody else's money to fulfill the individual's responsibilities.

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You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Good job, RK, keep it up! As I recall, the last guy who brought up those "leaching 47%'s" went down in defeat because of this insulting remark.

 

If 47% of the population is paying little or no income tax, then it would stand to reason that 47% must be well underpaid and / or underemployed since we are at "full" employment these days. (You do brag about that, you know.) And yet, R's overwhelmingly oppose paying a living minimum wage. Even the low wage earners must still pay Medicare and Social Security withholding taxes. And even more insulting, R's have the nerve to criticize them for having little or no health insurance, and many want to deny their right to receiving Medicaid.

 

A person is paid based on what value added he or she creates to the goods or services he or she is involved with. How do you propose changing that?

 

They pay Medicare and SS because they are contributing to their own retirement.


Those are the facts. If you find them insulting, then reality is insulting.


Missing the point, again? or just avoiding it? 

 

About 46% of the population is either underpaid / or underemployed. 

https://smartasset.com/retirement/how-many-americans-are-underemployed

https://www.monster.com/career-advice/article/millions-americans-underemployed-0820

 

This population has little to spend and you call them "leachers". You think that out of their meager wages they should be able to afford health insurance. You think that they should be denied food stamps or child care assistance in order to keep what work they do have.  Maybe just let the charities and churches take care of them. That is insulting.


With regard to  tax paying/not paying it is a fact, not really open to discussion. As to "little to spend" - if a person is living at a level higher than he or she is able to afford with what they have to offer in the work place, what is your answer - salary based on need?

 

I said nothing about denying anyone anything.

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If your "pay more" thought is somehow connected to inflation - the cost of the needed border physical barriers will have no effect.


How little you know. I know it is hard to adjust to being a Marxist, and socialist but that is what Trump is now preaching. Once again we have reached that time. You know the  drill.


How is that related to the above?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

 


You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Your missing the point............

 

We have several National Democratic Socialist Programs that a Majority of Americans Support

 

A Majority of Americans when polled today support even more National Democratic Socialist Programs like Medicare For All

 

There is No Majority of Americans who support Trump as our President or a 1.5 Trillion Trump/GOP Tax Break for the Richest Americans & Corporations

 

So what you seem to be supporting is Kleptocracy instead of Democracy

 

Democracy reflects the will of a majority of the people

 

Kleptocracy reflects the will of a few financially rich & politically powerful people

 

Which of the two do you support?

 

Which point did I miss - the one about non taxpayers approving of others paying more or the bleeding hearts?

 

 

 

 


 


Well - you've missed a lot of points - but mainly the Fact that

 

A Majority of Working Americans - Americans who are not living off a Stock Portfolio or Trust Fund

 

Do not Favor Tax Breaks for the Rich - in fact the Vast Majority of Working Americans & Seniors who have worked their entire lives - support the Richest Individuals & Corporations paying a lot more in Taxes

 

Most voters don’t share the centrist preferences of Washington’s comfortable pundit class.

 

Most voters want to raise taxes on the rich and corporations.

 

They favor generous Medicare and Social Security, expanded Medicaid, more financial aid for college, a higher minimum wage and a bigger government role in job creation.

 

Remember, Trump won the Republican nomination as a populist. A clear majority of Americans wants the government to respond aggressively to our economic problems.

 

Source - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/opinion/big-economic-ideas.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clic...

 

When did I miss the fact that most people do not live off of stocks? 

 

Approval of the rich paying a larger portion in taxes - I didn't miss that. It is the way it is today.

 

When did I miss something about pundits?

 

As to a lot of people wanting more paid for by others - I didn't miss that in fact I addressed it.

 

So again, "Your missing the point............" - what point????


 


Again - Remember, Trump won the Republican nomination as a populist. A clear majority of Americans wants the government to respond aggressively to our economic problems.

 

Trumps Response to our Economic Problems was to kick a even bigger Debt and Deficit Can down the road for my Children and Grandchildren to be responsible for - that BTW is another example of a - Political Gambit by Trump instead of Presidential Leadership

 

So your feigned concern for - "other people paying" - is just that - Faux

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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@MaVolta  Yeah, I think you summed it up pretty good.  Then we hear how many claim to be of the Christian faith (mindset)!!!  I don't think so.....

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

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You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Good job, RK, keep it up! As I recall, the last guy who brought up those "leaching 47%'s" went down in defeat because of this insulting remark.

 

If 47% of the population is paying little or no income tax, then it would stand to reason that 47% must be well underpaid and / or underemployed since we are at "full" employment these days. (You do brag about that, you know.) And yet, R's overwhelmingly oppose paying a living minimum wage. Even the low wage earners must still pay Medicare and Social Security withholding taxes. And even more insulting, R's have the nerve to criticize them for having little or no health insurance, and many want to deny their right to receiving Medicaid.

 

A person is paid based on what value added he or she creates to the goods or services he or she is involved with. How do you propose changing that?

 

They pay Medicare and SS because they are contributing to their own retirement.


Those are the facts. If you find them insulting, then reality is insulting.


Missing the point, again? or just avoiding it? 

 

About 46% of the population is either underpaid / or underemployed. 

https://smartasset.com/retirement/how-many-americans-are-underemployed

https://www.monster.com/career-advice/article/millions-americans-underemployed-0820

 

This population has little to spend and you call them "leachers". You think that out of their meager wages they should be able to afford health insurance. You think that they should be denied food stamps or child care assistance in order to keep what work they do have.  Maybe just let the charities and churches take care of them. That is insulting.

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@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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Not sure where it comes from, but Republicans seem compelled to take everything literally - perhaps its that prevasive Fundamentalist connection.

 

Whatever it is, it leads them down some very strange paths.

 

Medicare For All is jsut a shorthand for Universal Helath Care with a single payer, but GOPers insist on thinking they can attack it by pointing out opening Medicare to everybody won't work.

Why shorthand, are they trying to hide something? How about "Government Run healthcare won't work". Do you prefer that. So Medicare doesn't work? is that what you are sayiing?

 

Same thing with Free College For All - just means Government needs to make all post-high school education and training affordable, like it was back in the 1960's and 70's.

Where do you get these crazy ideas - the government didn't pay for college back then.    He din't say college, he said   training programs.  and he was saying affordable. for post  HS education. li probable Community colleges.

 

Reason Republicans have all been ordered to attack those Slogans is the way we pay for them is to restore fairness to our tax code, and the GOPerLords issuing the orders do not want that to happen.

"Fairness in our tax code" being defined as, "the non-productive getting more of the property of the productive". I didn't get any orders from anyone but understanding the phoniness of your statement doesn't require "orders".  BS

 


"BS"???? Seems a bit offensive. Do you have anything further to offer?


 


 


Yes

 

Medicare is a example of Democratic Socialism - a Majority of Americans Support it

 

Social Security is a example of Democratic Socialism - A Majority of Americans Support it

 

Trump is a lying corrupt ignorant incompetent fool - a Majority of Americans did not support him in the 2016 election - but he's still President

 

That's Kleptocracy & only 35% of Americans support it

 

But Trump is still President

 

So label anything whatever you want - what difference does it make

 

Vote out all Incumbents & support real change

 

 


You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Now you know that is not true. Keep in mind Trump has become a  true socialist in the way he is funding the wall. Mexico said they will not pay so he wants the taxpayers to pay for it with out even voting, or having their lawmakers vote. That is a Marxist State or Dictatorship. Sadly his supporters support that type of state. I know it will take time for the enablers to get used to being Marxist, and Socialist.


What is not true - the non taxpayers approving of raising taxes on others or the bleeding hearts.


How can you say that. Your leader and his followers are making all people pay for his not needed wall. Even non paying taxpayers will pay as Trump and his followers increase all costs which every living person pays. Our enablers just can not get used to being Marxist, and socialist.


If your "pay more" thought is somehow connected to inflation - the cost of the needed border physical barriers will have no effect.


How little you know. I know it is hard to adjust to being a Marxist, and socialist but that is what Trump is now preaching. Once again we have reached that time. You know the  drill.

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@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Not sure where it comes from, but Republicans seem compelled to take everything literally - perhaps its that prevasive Fundamentalist connection.

 

Whatever it is, it leads them down some very strange paths.

 

Medicare For All is jsut a shorthand for Universal Helath Care with a single payer, but GOPers insist on thinking they can attack it by pointing out opening Medicare to everybody won't work.

Why shorthand, are they trying to hide something? How about "Government Run healthcare won't work". Do you prefer that. So Medicare doesn't work? is that what you are sayiing?

 

Same thing with Free College For All - just means Government needs to make all post-high school education and training affordable, like it was back in the 1960's and 70's.

Where do you get these crazy ideas - the government didn't pay for college back then.    He din't say college, he said   training programs.  and he was saying affordable. for post  HS education. li probable Community colleges.

 

Reason Republicans have all been ordered to attack those Slogans is the way we pay for them is to restore fairness to our tax code, and the GOPerLords issuing the orders do not want that to happen.

"Fairness in our tax code" being defined as, "the non-productive getting more of the property of the productive". I didn't get any orders from anyone but understanding the phoniness of your statement doesn't require "orders".  BS

 


"BS"???? Seems a bit offensive. Do you have anything further to offer?


 


 


Yes

 

Medicare is a example of Democratic Socialism - a Majority of Americans Support it

 

Social Security is a example of Democratic Socialism - A Majority of Americans Support it

 

Trump is a lying corrupt ignorant incompetent fool - a Majority of Americans did not support him in the 2016 election - but he's still President

 

That's Kleptocracy & only 35% of Americans support it

 

But Trump is still President

 

So label anything whatever you want - what difference does it make

 

Vote out all Incumbents & support real change

 

 


You may be right. We have something like 47% of the population leaching off the rest (no tax paying but benefits collecting) - that does give you a good base to start with. All you need is a few more "bleeding hearts" to tip the scales to your Marxist State.


Now you know that is not true. Keep in mind Trump has become a  true socialist in the way he is funding the wall. Mexico said they will not pay so he wants the taxpayers to pay for it with out even voting, or having their lawmakers vote. That is a Marxist State or Dictatorship. Sadly his supporters support that type of state. I know it will take time for the enablers to get used to being Marxist, and Socialist.


What is not true - the non taxpayers approving of raising taxes on others or the bleeding hearts.


How can you say that. Your leader and his followers are making all people pay for his not needed wall. Even non paying taxpayers will pay as Trump and his followers increase all costs which every living person pays. Our enablers just can not get used to being Marxist, and socialist.


If your "pay more" thought is somehow connected to inflation - the cost of the needed border physical barriers will have no effect.

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