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Let us not forget that THE FEDERALIST is the media outlet that defended Roy Moore's dating of teens as a possible scenario..... IF YOU WANTED TO RAISE A LARGE FAMILY!!!!!!!!


Another case when you make it about the source rather that the topic, which your post has absolutely nothing to do with it.  Therefore completely off topic.

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I get it you don't like the article but like another poster here said on many occasions;  There is no obligation for you to post to my thread especially when you have nothing to contribute to the subject under discussion.

 

My comment is that is the behavior of an Internet troll.  Are you a troll?  You never seem to post anything of substance, just protest to protest.

 

Do you have any thoughts on the topic posted?

 

If you do please share them...  If you do not that is OK too, but please for the sake of this adult forum, refrain from childish and troll behavior.

 

Food for thinking adults.

 

Again Jim's BOT noticed you provided no support to back up your accusation.  You seem to just "Make stuff up" and post it in protest when you see a well written article you don't like...

 

 

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/05/asian-americans-are-the-tipping-point-of-affirmative-action/

 

 


Let us not forget that THE FEDERALIST is the media outlet that defended Roy Moore's dating of teens as a possible scenario..... IF YOU WANTED TO RAISE A LARGE FAMILY!!!!!!!!

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Progressives refuse to address the disproportionate harm done to Asian students by affirmative action policies. But everyone else is waking up to it.

 

This week the Trump administration reversed an Obama-era policy that encouraged colleges to use race as a consideration in admissions. While the move itself is mostly symbolic, it coincides with the retirement of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, who in 2016 was the swing vote in a case upholding the University of Texas’ race-based admissions policies.

 

In addition to these two developments, a New York City plan to use race as an element in admissions to elite public high schools that are now dominated by Asian students, and allegations that Harvard University is discriminating against Asian applicants, have woken a sleeping dragon. What has been known for some time but is now getting the attention it deserves is that affirmative action programs disproportionately harm Asians. In fact, they harm them far more than they harm whites.

Destroying the Historical Basis for Affirmative Action

 

 

Historically the basis and justification of race-based admissions was that white students benefited from centuries of racial injustice in myriad ways. As a result, affirmative action was meant to redress historical imbalances and level the playing field for minority students. But now that we see race-based admissions are disadvantaging Asians more than they are whites, this basis simply falls apart.

 

It is farcical to imagine that somehow centuries of systemic white supremacy are benefiting Asian students, many of who are first-generation Americans or even immigrants themselves. Moreover, there is no plausible way to suggest that these recent arrivals had any hand in creating the systems that disadvantage other minority groups.

 

None of this, however, stopped the Congressional Black Caucus from essentially calling the president a racist for his new policy. Its leader, Cedric Richmond, had this to say: “While I am not surprised, I continue to be disappointed that the president of this great country cares so little for its non-white residents and their interests.”

 

Unless we have suddenly decided that Asians are in fact white, this statement is absurd on its face. By far, the greatest beneficiaries of ending affirmative action would be non-white Asian students.

It’s Time For A New Justification

 

 

The Congressional Black Caucus, the Democratic National Committee, and many in the liberal media simply ignore the harm done to Asian students under this program. For a while, that worked. But now, Asian-American activists, Republicans, and the conservative media are shining a bright light on the issue that cannot be ignored. As a result, new justifications for race-based admissions that do not rely on unfair advantages bestowed upon whites must be created.

 

So far, the results are not promising.

 

In the Washington Post, the newly woke Max Boot weighed in. He was once a conservative opponent of affirmative action who has in response to Trump become something very close to a progressive. To his credit, Boot frames the problem correctly. He is upfront about the fact that hard-working Asian kids are being thrown under the bus. Although he agonizes over it, ultimately he throws up his hands and says we have no choice. This is where he begins flailing for new answers.

 

The first ham-fisted answer he comes up with is that testing isn’t dispositive of future success in life. Sure. There is no perfect predictive model that colleges can use to determine who will or won’t go on to success. But what this has to do with affirmative action is unclear. After all, empirical data shows us that first-born children have greater measurable success than their younger siblings do. Should colleges therefore prefer first-born children?

 

The key component Boot is missing here is that whatever standards a college uses to determine who is likely to succeed should be equally and fairly applied to all applicants. In arguing that fewer Asians should be accepted because there is no guarantee they will be successful, he is opening the door a whole host of subjectively applied predictive models that could be used to advantage or disadvantage any group. But here in the real world, what this amounts to is “There are too many Asians in top schools.”

Diversity Is Its Own Reward

 

 

Boot’s second argument, and the one more likely to gain purchase on the Left, is that diversity in student bodies is its own reward. He writes: “You learn more about life if you go to class with people who are different from you — who have different abilities, different geographic origins, different social classes, different sexualities, different religions, different political views and, yes, different ethnicities. You don’t necessarily want a student body made up entirely of bookworms.”

 

First of all, it is far from clear why colleges, the entire purpose of which is to educate, wouldn’t want a student body entirely made of bookworms. But even if we accept that college has some social function served by exposure to all different kinds of people, it is important to understand that not all Asians are bookworms. Of the seven demographic boxes Boot creates here, Asians can check off all of them.

 

When we enact policies that knowingly and purposely disadvantage Asian applicants, we are harming disabled Asians, and geographically diverse Asians, poor Asians, gay Asians, and Marxist Asians. Boot would show all of these people the door simply because there are already too many people who look like them and do well on tests. In fact, that is exactly what Harvard is alleged to have done: giving Asian applicants intentionally lower scores on non-academic standards to produce fewer Asian students.

 

Democrats and progressives may continue trying to ignore the harm being done to Asian students, and pretend that it isn’t happening. After all, it destroys the entire narrative backing up their approach to affirmative action and diversity in schools. But their ability to hide this consequence from Asians themselves and the public at large is fast crumbling under the weight of reality.

 

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/05/asian-americans-are-the-tipping-point-of-affirmative-action/

 

 


I think I saw this article from you before. It must really be a slow night for the far right enablers to keep posting the same stuff and pretend it is new. Well lets go to something new. How about the Trump rally this evening. These are the same type of rallies Hitler used when he was taking over as Dictator. They get more frequent the closer to full Dictatorship we are, and when the Dictator has full power they are cut back, and go to zero just before the Dictator is thrown out of power. It looks like we are on the path, and if Trump succeeds and becomes the full Dictator I would predict that our Grand Children or Great Grand Children will over throw Trump and return the USA to what it was. A beacon  to the world of freedom. Just think where the far  right enablers place in our history will be. They will be totally revelled, and no one will even admit they were in any way related to them. Fact is everyone in the US at the time the Dictator took full power will be looked on as destroyers.

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Progressives refuse to address the disproportionate harm done to Asian students by affirmative action policies. But everyone else is waking up to it.

 

This week the Trump administration reversed an Obama-era policy that encouraged colleges to use race as a consideration in admissions. While the move itself is mostly symbolic, it coincides with the retirement of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, who in 2016 was the swing vote in a case upholding the University of Texas’ race-based admissions policies.

 

In addition to these two developments, a New York City plan to use race as an element in admissions to elite public high schools that are now dominated by Asian students, and allegations that Harvard University is discriminating against Asian applicants, have woken a sleeping dragon. What has been known for some time but is now getting the attention it deserves is that affirmative action programs disproportionately harm Asians. In fact, they harm them far more than they harm whites.

Destroying the Historical Basis for Affirmative Action

 

 

Historically the basis and justification of race-based admissions was that white students benefited from centuries of racial injustice in myriad ways. As a result, affirmative action was meant to redress historical imbalances and level the playing field for minority students. But now that we see race-based admissions are disadvantaging Asians more than they are whites, this basis simply falls apart.

 

It is farcical to imagine that somehow centuries of systemic white supremacy are benefiting Asian students, many of who are first-generation Americans or even immigrants themselves. Moreover, there is no plausible way to suggest that these recent arrivals had any hand in creating the systems that disadvantage other minority groups.

 

None of this, however, stopped the Congressional Black Caucus from essentially calling the president a racist for his new policy. Its leader, Cedric Richmond, had this to say: “While I am not surprised, I continue to be disappointed that the president of this great country cares so little for its non-white residents and their interests.”

 

Unless we have suddenly decided that Asians are in fact white, this statement is absurd on its face. By far, the greatest beneficiaries of ending affirmative action would be non-white Asian students.

It’s Time For A New Justification

 

 

The Congressional Black Caucus, the Democratic National Committee, and many in the liberal media simply ignore the harm done to Asian students under this program. For a while, that worked. But now, Asian-American activists, Republicans, and the conservative media are shining a bright light on the issue that cannot be ignored. As a result, new justifications for race-based admissions that do not rely on unfair advantages bestowed upon whites must be created.

 

So far, the results are not promising.

 

In the Washington Post, the newly woke Max Boot weighed in. He was once a conservative opponent of affirmative action who has in response to Trump become something very close to a progressive. To his credit, Boot frames the problem correctly. He is upfront about the fact that hard-working Asian kids are being thrown under the bus. Although he agonizes over it, ultimately he throws up his hands and says we have no choice. This is where he begins flailing for new answers.

 

The first ham-fisted answer he comes up with is that testing isn’t dispositive of future success in life. Sure. There is no perfect predictive model that colleges can use to determine who will or won’t go on to success. But what this has to do with affirmative action is unclear. After all, empirical data shows us that first-born children have greater measurable success than their younger siblings do. Should colleges therefore prefer first-born children?

 

The key component Boot is missing here is that whatever standards a college uses to determine who is likely to succeed should be equally and fairly applied to all applicants. In arguing that fewer Asians should be accepted because there is no guarantee they will be successful, he is opening the door a whole host of subjectively applied predictive models that could be used to advantage or disadvantage any group. But here in the real world, what this amounts to is “There are too many Asians in top schools.”

Diversity Is Its Own Reward

 

 

Boot’s second argument, and the one more likely to gain purchase on the Left, is that diversity in student bodies is its own reward. He writes: “You learn more about life if you go to class with people who are different from you — who have different abilities, different geographic origins, different social classes, different sexualities, different religions, different political views and, yes, different ethnicities. You don’t necessarily want a student body made up entirely of bookworms.”

 

First of all, it is far from clear why colleges, the entire purpose of which is to educate, wouldn’t want a student body entirely made of bookworms. But even if we accept that college has some social function served by exposure to all different kinds of people, it is important to understand that not all Asians are bookworms. Of the seven demographic boxes Boot creates here, Asians can check off all of them.

 

When we enact policies that knowingly and purposely disadvantage Asian applicants, we are harming disabled Asians, and geographically diverse Asians, poor Asians, gay Asians, and Marxist Asians. Boot would show all of these people the door simply because there are already too many people who look like them and do well on tests. In fact, that is exactly what Harvard is alleged to have done: giving Asian applicants intentionally lower scores on non-academic standards to produce fewer Asian students.

 

Democrats and progressives may continue trying to ignore the harm being done to Asian students, and pretend that it isn’t happening. After all, it destroys the entire narrative backing up their approach to affirmative action and diversity in schools. But their ability to hide this consequence from Asians themselves and the public at large is fast crumbling under the weight of reality.

 

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/05/asian-americans-are-the-tipping-point-of-affirmative-action/

 

 

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