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trump supporters go to great lengths to protect or support any of trump's actions ..... any of them.


Not as much as liberals do to change the topic for partisan reasons.  Nothing was said about Trump or his policies, but about the integrity of United States borders.  No doubt there are some who are ok with foreign military disarming Americans on our side?

 

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You mean those murderous, rapists criminal Mexicans were abusing the US soldiers?  Oh how sorry, I guess the (sic) Trump should demand an explanation from the Mexican President. don't  you think?

 

Oh yeas (sic) the Democrats were there to incide (sic) the Mexicans to tak (sic) action really?  And you are fogetting (sic) Obama, I bet he was there also.


 


What I think is that someone is attempting to be fallacious but falling short.

 

Heard of spell-check?

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Apparently Tex attended some class where they told him using Federal Military personnel as civilian police was okay. Strange.

 

 

 


To the contrary, in those advanced NCO classes we were given the history of your Posse Comitatus law and the reasons for it.  And where the military can't be called upon to aid local law enforcement.

 

Additionally we were given examples of where the military might be used in a support position to law enforcement.  One example is the Los Angeles riots where the National Guard monitored situations and aided law enforcement in directing them to locations of interest.

 

I do note that you haven't answered my question regarding the source of your information about the post commander and his stop sign.  

 

But a nice attempt at diversion, not only to my question but to the discussion of the Mexican military violating United States territory. 


 

What Trump should do is to complain via the Ambassador to the Mexican President, and I can just see the Mexican President  extending his middle finger at Trump in all its glory.


trump supporters go to great lengths to protect or support any of trump's actions ..... any of them.


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Apparently Tex attended some class where they told him using Federal Military personnel as civilian police was okay. Strange.

 

 

 


To the contrary, in those advanced NCO classes we were given the history of your Posse Comitatus law and the reasons for it.  And where the military can't be called upon to aid local law enforcement.

 

Additionally we were given examples of where the military might be used in a support position to law enforcement.  One example is the Los Angeles riots where the National Guard monitored situations and aided law enforcement in directing them to locations of interest.

 

I do note that you haven't answered my question regarding the source of your information about the post commander and his stop sign.  

 

But a nice attempt at diversion, not only to my question but to the discussion of the Mexican military violating United States territory. 


 

What Trump should do is to complain via the Ambassador to the Mexican President, and I can just see the Mexican President  extending his middle finger at Trump in all its glory.

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In this case, the soldiers were operating correctly.  They were not enforcing the law, but were there in support of the Border Patrol.  Technically the Mexican soldiers were in the wrong, even though it was a misunderstanding on their part.  But they had no right to point their weapons at our military or relieve the soldier of his sidearm.   You mean those murderous, rapists criminal Mexicans were abusing the US soldiers?  Oh how sorry, I guess the Trump should demand an explanation from the Mexican President. don't  you think?

 

Further, they and their superiors were at fault in not insuring that such an incident would happen with their operating so close to the border, especially since it was so vague given the brush and dry riverbed.  Oh yeam thet should have kisssed the behind of those soldiers because  they were so abused

 

The Posse Comitatus law doesn't apply in the reason that military was on the border.  Without doubt partianism is involved in these posts as usual.  I wouldn't praise the Mexican soldiers for operating across our border.   Oh yeas the Democrats were there to incide the Mexicans to tak action really?  And you are fogetting Obama, I bet he was there also.


 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Apparently Tex attended some class where they told him using Federal Military personnel as civilian police was okay. Strange.

 

 

 


To the contrary, in those advanced NCO classes we were given the history of your Posse Comitatus law and the reasons for it.  And where the military can't be called upon to aid local law enforcement.

 

Additionally we were given examples of where the military might be used in a support position to law enforcement.  One example is the Los Angeles riots where the National Guard monitored situations and aided law enforcement in directing them to locations of interest.

 

As a further comment, if you would recall with the troops being there, their duties was purely to escort the children to school, more intimidation against any trouble makers. 

 

I do note that you haven't answered my question regarding the source of your information about the post commander and his stop sign.  

 

But a nice attempt at diversion, not only to my question but to the discussion of the Mexican military violating United States territory. 

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Apparently Tex attended some class where they told him using Federal Military personnel as civilian police was okay. Strange.

Here's what Ike had to say about his use of the Military withing the USA:

 

The very basis of our individual rights and freedoms rests upon the certainty that the President and the Executive Branch of Government will support and insure the carrying out of the decisions of the Federal Courts, even, when necessary with all the means at the President’s command.

Unless the President did so, anarchy would result.

There would be no security for any except that which each one of us could provide for himself.

The interest of the nation in the proper fulfillment of the law’s requirements cannot yield to opposition and demonstrations by some few persons.

Mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.

Now, let me make it very clear that Federal troops are not being used to relieve local and state authorities of their primary duty to preserve the peace and order of the community. Nor are the troops there for the purpose of taking over the responsibility of the School Board and the other responsible local officials in running Central High School. The running of our school system and the maintenance of peace and order in each of our States are strictly local affairs and the Federal Government does not interfere except in a very few special cases and when requested by one of the several States. In the present case the troops are there, pursuant to law, solely for the purpose of preventing interference with the orders of the Court.

 

https://www.history.com/topics/black.../eisenhower-intervenes-in-little-rock-crisis-vide..


In most cases where "man learns nothing from history" it is because many men don't know history. Often when history it goes against what they believe they simply ignore it.


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Apparently Tex attended some class where they told him using Federal Military personnel as civilian police was okay. Strange.

Here's what Ike had to say about his use of the Military withing the USA:

 

The very basis of our individual rights and freedoms rests upon the certainty that the President and the Executive Branch of Government will support and insure the carrying out of the decisions of the Federal Courts, even, when necessary with all the means at the President’s command.

Unless the President did so, anarchy would result.

There would be no security for any except that which each one of us could provide for himself.

The interest of the nation in the proper fulfillment of the law’s requirements cannot yield to opposition and demonstrations by some few persons.

Mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.

Now, let me make it very clear that Federal troops are not being used to relieve local and state authorities of their primary duty to preserve the peace and order of the community. Nor are the troops there for the purpose of taking over the responsibility of the School Board and the other responsible local officials in running Central High School. The running of our school system and the maintenance of peace and order in each of our States are strictly local affairs and the Federal Government does not interfere except in a very few special cases and when requested by one of the several States. In the present case the troops are there, pursuant to law, solely for the purpose of preventing interference with the orders of the Court.

 

https://www.history.com/topics/black.../eisenhower-intervenes-in-little-rock-crisis-vide..

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Decades ago, an Army Base Commander decided to help out with the dangerous traffic situation at the entrance to his installation. The little town where the "uncontrolled" intersection was located could not afford to install traffic lights, so the CO rolled out a portable 4-way stop signal, and solved the problem.  Unfortunately this was ruled a violation of the posse comitatus  prohibition noted above even tho no Troops were deployed and the signal was wheeled back inside the base.
 
.......our Armed Forces along the Mexican border is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Strange that this wasn't mentioned in the classes on the Posse Comitatus act in the Army advanced NCO schools I attended.  Could you give a source for that incident?  Unless you can provide a source, it has been my experience that the commander of a military base would have coordinated safety considerations with the local authorities.

 

They do have the authority to put a town off limits if there are concerns affecting military operations and welfare.

 

You might recall that Eisenhower used federal troops in Little Rock to enforce racial desegregation in the schools there.  Was that a violation?

 

No, the troops are not at the border in a law enforcement capacity, but in a support way.  There are military police along to protect our troops if needed.  As far as the Mexican soldiers, they were intrusive across our borders whether on purpose or accidentally.  If the role had been that our troops had crossed into Mexico, they would have no doubt been prosecuted.  That has happened to civilians carrying firearms.

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Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years
 
 
And he's right. It's not just that our Federal military cannot serve to arrest refugees, they cannot even direct traffic - that's a POLICE function. Decades ago, an Army Base Commander decided to help out with the dangerous traffic situation at the entrance to his installation. The little town where the "uncontrolled" intersection was located could not afford to install traffic lights, so the CO rolled out a portable 4-way stop signal, and solved the problem.  Unfortunately this was ruled a violation of the posse comitatus  prohibition noted above even tho no Troops were deployed and the signal was wheeled back inside the base.
 
What Cadet Bonespurs is doing with our Armed Forces along the Mexican border is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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