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Are seniors being thrown under the tax reform bus?

 

All Americans, other than the top 2%, will be thrown under the bus.  And as usual, the GOP couldn't care any less.  Like the Con man in the White House convincing the less informed how wonderful an adulterer and liar is for a America, they are trying to sell how wonderful it is with a bribe.  Meanwhile, services across the land will be cut, water and air quality will worsen and homeland security will be cut significantly.  Does that make sense?  Not to any intelligent, educated person.


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Republicans know they can screw Seniors with impunity because half of all Foxbots are over 68. Since the only data these folks receive is a slurry of Republican lies and slanders, they will not even notice they've been screwed so the Uberrich can get a bigger tax cut, and if they DO notice, they'll think giving the rich more means it will help them, because that's all they hear on their TVs.

 

As you age, your medical problems and the associated bills INCREASE. HOW can anyone NOT see it will be Seniors who suffer most from the elimination of a tax deduction for the money they spend on maintaining their health?

 

How can they NOT notice the failure to tax 100% care employer paid health plans costs the Government THREE TIMES what the deduction of actual medical costs does, but the ones getting those health plans could pay all their medical costs out of pocket and not give up a single feature of their lifestyle?

 

Somehow Republican Seniors think Ike is still in charge of the GOP and the party is acting in their interest. Wakeie wakie gramps - He's not and they don't.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

If the House GOP tax plan becomes law, nearly 81 million Americans, 47.5 percent of all tax filers, would pay nothing in federal income taxes next year, according to a calculation by research firm Evercore ISI. That's an increase of more than 6 million additional tax filers owing nothing in income taxes to the federal government.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/09/nearly-81-million-americans-would-pay-0-under...


Right you are CeeTee.  Right you are.  You just illustrated the ignorance of those on the Right who believe everything their propaganda machine puts out and rarely, if ever, pursue any objective insight.


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The CBO says 80% of the benefits go to the top 1% and millions of middle class families will pay MORE with either Republican plan.

 

Sounds like another Reaganscam that only the lofo will support because there's no way to support the Republicans using intelligence or actual data.

 

But not to worry folks, REpublicans are just doing what they SAID they would do - lower taxes. What they never mention but always include is BY SLASHING SERVICES FOR THE 99% so they can redistribute more wealth to the top of the 1%.

 

If that's not true, then why have all the income gains since the jrbush crash of 2008 gone to the top 1% while real wages for everybody else dropped?

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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Only the most feeble of minds would presume that they know why others  use bookkeeping firms to handle their taxes.

 

Only the most feeble of minds would base their assumptions and opinions about the Republican tax (scam) proposal on just "three rates with no deductibles.


Only the truly feeble minded would want to retain the antiquated tax system we currently have which REQUIRES tax accountants or tax software to complete over a new plan that lowers everyone's taxes (except a minuscule number of people) and eliminates the need for tax accountants.  Some liberals cling to the old ways, fearing they may get their handouts cut.


I would prefer that out tax system be simplified, but in a fair way.

 

The Republican plan screws the 99% and gives more than 90% of the cuts to the 1% and very large corporations. Most all small businesses will not see cuts through the 'pass through'. The cuts to the 1% and large corporations are permanent and the small meager cuts to a small portion of the 99% are temporary. The results of the plan screw the majority of America's senior citizens. Reality is reality and you seem to struggle with accepting that.

 

By the way, I have never received a "hand out", so your repeated reference to that is alame attempt at insulting me.


Your figures are totally wrong. The Trump tax plan lowers 99% of the income tax payers and the less than 1% would be those that had extreme deductibles under the old tax plan and lost them. The vast majority of Americans will see lower taxes. You may be the unfortunate minority who sees their taxes rise but I assure you, that is an anomaly. Those cuts by the way are not meager and 99% of all will receive them unlike your version of the "story". Don't you want to see a simpler tax system and have the majority of your fellow Americans get some of THEIR OWN MONEY back?

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If the House GOP tax plan becomes law, nearly 81 million Americans, 47.5 percent of all tax filers, would pay nothing in federal income taxes next year, according to a calculation by research firm Evercore ISI. That's an increase of more than 6 million additional tax filers owing nothing in income taxes to the federal government.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/09/nearly-81-million-americans-would-pay-0-under...

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

 


Only the most feeble of minds would presume that they know why others  use bookkeeping firms to handle their taxes.

 

Only the most feeble of minds would base their assumptions and opinions about the Republican tax (scam) proposal on just "three rates with no deductibles.


Only the truly feeble minded would want to retain the antiquated tax system we currently have which REQUIRES tax accountants or tax software to complete over a new plan that lowers everyone's taxes (except a minuscule number of people) and eliminates the need for tax accountants.  Some liberals cling to the old ways, fearing they may get their handouts cut.


I would prefer that out tax system be simplified, but in a fair way.

 

The Republican plan screws the 99% and gives more than 90% of the cuts to the 1% and very large corporations. Most all small businesses will not see cuts through the 'pass through'. The cuts to the 1% and large corporations are permanent and the small meager cuts to a small portion of the 99% are temporary. The results of the plan screw the majority of America's senior citizens. Reality is reality and you seem to struggle with accepting that.

 

By the way, I have never received a "hand out", so your repeated reference to that is alame attempt at insulting me.


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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

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I want to know who is subsidizing the $1.3 TRILLION the Republicans are adding to the deficit. Oh right.............ME. 


That would be 330 million people times 53% (income tax paying people) or 174,900,000 people!

 

Wrong. Every American will be subsidizing the $1.5 trillion tax cuts because the GOP plans to pay for it by cutting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They've said as much. Their 2018 budget, which proposes the $1.5 trillion in tax cut spending, offsets it by taking $500 billion from Medicare and $1 trillion from Medicaid. If tax cuts are passed, the GOP leadership will pivot immediately to entitlement "reform" (i.e., turning Medicaid into a state block grant,  turning Medicare into a voucher program or raising the age of eligibility, etc.)

 

Meanwhile, cuts to Medicare will be automatically triggered next year by the PAYGO rule if the tax cuts passed.

 


 


You are so wrong on that. Only 53% of the people are paying income taxes. The top 1% pay over 50% of all taxes and you think everyone will be paying. That's a real laugh. The people that need a tax break are those people paying all the taxes. Wake up liberals.


Any group of people making 90% of the total earnings in this country should be paying 90% (not 50%) of the total taxes collected. Wake up Extreme Right Wingers.


The people using 90% of the "handouts" should pay 90% of the taxes. Wake up liberal takers.


Blind hatred has clouded your judgement.  Income and earnings are taxed. Any group making 90% of America's total earnings should be paying 90% of the total taxes collected. It's really that simple.  A group who makes 90% of the total earnings in America and only pays 50% of the total taxes collected are the "takers".  Wake up blind Conservatives.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

 


Only the most feeble of minds would presume that they know why others  use bookkeeping firms to handle their taxes.

 

Only the most feeble of minds would base their assumptions and opinions about the Republican tax (scam) proposal on just "three rates with no deductibles.


Only the truly feeble minded would want to retain the antiquated tax system we currently have which REQUIRES tax accountants or tax software to complete over a new plan that lowers everyone's taxes (except a minuscule number of people) and eliminates the need for tax accountants.  Some liberals cling to the old ways, fearing they may get their handouts cut.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@cat2015 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

I want to know who is subsidizing the $1.3 TRILLION the Republicans are adding to the deficit. Oh right.............ME. 


That would be 330 million people times 53% (income tax paying people) or 174,900,000 people!

 

Wrong. Every American will be subsidizing the $1.5 trillion tax cuts because the GOP plans to pay for it by cutting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They've said as much. Their 2018 budget, which proposes the $1.5 trillion in tax cut spending, offsets it by taking $500 billion from Medicare and $1 trillion from Medicaid. If tax cuts are passed, the GOP leadership will pivot immediately to entitlement "reform" (i.e., turning Medicaid into a state block grant,  turning Medicare into a voucher program or raising the age of eligibility, etc.)

 

Meanwhile, cuts to Medicare will be automatically triggered next year by the PAYGO rule if the tax cuts passed.

 


 


You are so wrong on that. Only 53% of the people are paying income taxes. The top 1% pay over 50% of all taxes and you think everyone will be paying. That's a real laugh. The people that need a tax break are those people paying all the taxes. Wake up liberals.


Any group of people making 90% of the total earnings in this country should be paying 90% (not 50%) of the total taxes collected. Wake up Extreme Right Wingers.


The people using 90% of the "handouts" should pay 90% of the taxes. Wake up liberal takers.

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