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Actually I can back it up, NOT, and I will when I choose to; NOT when you want it. I prefer to let some embarrass themselves just as two did claiming my signature line was a lie and made-up.  But thanks for asking.... 


So actually you can't but you posted it and now you have to go fishing around the internet to find something to validate your post.  Who knows he might not be political at all.

 

As far as your signature line, it was only on a sign carried in a march...the facts are otherwise, whether anyone likes it or not, Trump is the Constitutional President since he won the majority of electoral votes.  But that isn't the topic.

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Fact, the majority of Libertarians vote Republican than Democrat.  In fact, three self-identified Libertarians on this forum said they voted Republican in the last General election.

 

Maybe you can answer this for the forum.  From what I've read, "Libertarians often don’t care if you’re gay or black or identify as a Pokemon; so long as you properly contribute to society and follow Libertarian policies, that’s to say, free markets, privatization, things like that, you’re a good American citizen."  Would you agree with that statement?  If so, two questions......one, what about the above in green do you think applies to the sovereign citizen movement?  And two......it'll depend on your answer to "one".  Thanks.


I don't know the statistics of libertarian policies because I didn't learn my libertarianism.  I often reinvent ideas and that was the case with my libertarianism.  Elsewhere in this forum, I explained my libertarian premise.  Unlike Sovereign Citizen, I want government to protect every individual from the wrong doings of other individuals.  This may or may not coincide with what other people calling themselves "libertarian" do.  I don't know. 

 

That's fair.  I understand your post to mean you like the Libertarian concept only, and not necessarily what the party actually promotes. Is that correct?

 

What do you think of the question posed after the premise in green above?

Yes.  And which of the questions are you responding to with "yes"?


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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@NOTHAPPENINGwrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:


Actually I can back it up, NOT, and I will when I choose to; NOT when you want it. I prefer to let some embarrass themselves just as two did claiming my signature line was a lie and made-up.  But thanks for asking.... 


Thanks for nothing. If you can't back it up, then your comment means nothing. But I can, and will on my terms, just as I did before as previously stated.  Sometimes it's just best to let some reveal themselves.  For example, one claimed Repubs/Cons only see people and not the "color" of people; a nice bumper stick but we've seen MANY Repubs/Cons here fall into the rabbit hole clearly commenting on blacks and not people.  For example, how many times have you posted about blacks killing blacks in Chicago?  Not once have you said, "people killing people".  No need to get excited though, nobody believed the bumper sticker anyway.  In fact, another posted "Black lives don't matter"....he didn't post, "People's lives don't matter".  When I first heard of the shooting near Nashville, I wondered if he was passing through Tennessee.

 

If you find out in the future that he was a Trump supporter, then you became RIGHT naw.....nev-ah.  I'll always be a Centrist....support the best of both sides and loath the worst.  as of the time the proof was available - not yet. As of now it is just another one of your liberal lies! Yet you STILL can't prove it's a lie; nor have you demonstrated he was "Liberal crazy".  And btw, I didn't have to wait to prove the sign was real either, but I choose to.  Fools deserve to be exposed.


More gibberish from the far left wing. You made a comment that the shooter was a supporter of Trump and you're still dancing around claiming it's true with no back up. You are right: fools deserve to be exposed and you my friend, have been exposed.

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@aruzinskywrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@aruzinskywrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@john258wrote:

Well if you watched the TV News this evening (Not FOX) you heard the report he was tied to the Sovereign Citizens group. That is one of the far right groups.


The Sovereign Citizens has no relationship with Conservatism.


Huh ??????????????? This group, the Alt-Right and others on the far right, have "no relationship to Conservatism"?


From

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

 

"The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American, Canadian and Australian litigants, commentators, tax protesters, and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings"

 

Sounds more libertarian than conservative or liberal to me until you get  here:

 

"Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the United States government is illegitimate."

Now, it sounds much like the liberals who chanted, "Not my president."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/-not-my-president-anti-donald-trump-protests-erupt-across-the...


Fact, the majority of Libertarians vote Republican than Democrat.  In fact, three self-identified Libertarians on this forum said they voted Republican in the last General election.

 

Maybe you can answer this for the forum.  From what I've read, "Libertarians often don’t care if you’re gay or black or identify as a Pokemon; so long as you properly contribute to society and follow Libertarian policies, that’s to say, free markets, privatization, things like that, you’re a good American citizen."  Would you agree with that statement?  If so, two questions......one, what about the above in green do you think applies to the sovereign citizen movement?  And two......it'll depend on your answer to "one".  Thanks.


I don't know the statistics of libertarian policies because I didn't learn my libertarianism.  I often reinvent ideas and that was the case with my libertarianism.  Elsewhere in this forum, I explained my libertarian premise.  Unlike Sovereign Citizen, I want government to protect every individual from the wrong doings of other individuals.  This may or may not coincide with what other people calling themselves "libertarian" do.  I don't know. 

 

That's fair.  I understand your post to mean you like the Libertarian concept only, and not necessarily what the party actually promotes. Is that correct?

 

What do you think of the question posed after the premise in green above?

Yes.  

 

As I interpret Sovereign Citizen, both it and I don't want government to protect an adult (with a fully developed frontal cortex) individual from his or herself. 

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@NOTHAPPENINGwrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:


Actually I can back it up, NOT, and I will when I choose to; NOT when you want it. I prefer to let some embarrass themselves just as two did claiming my signature line was a lie and made-up.  But thanks for asking.... 


Thanks for nothing. If you can't back it up, then your comment means nothing. But I can, and will on my terms, just as I did before as previously stated.  Sometimes it's just best to let some reveal themselves.  For example, one claimed Repubs/Cons only see people and not the "color" of people; a nice bumper stick but we've seen MANY Repubs/Cons here fall into the rabbit hole clearly commenting on blacks and not people.  For example, how many times have you posted about blacks killing blacks in Chicago?  Not once have you said, "people killing people".  No need to get excited though, nobody believed the bumper sticker anyway.  In fact, another posted "Black lives don't matter"....he didn't post, "People's lives don't matter".  When I first heard of the shooting near Nashville, I wondered if he was passing through Tennessee.

 

If you find out in the future that he was a Trump supporter, then you became RIGHT naw.....nev-ah.  I'll always be a Centrist....support the best of both sides and loath the worst.  as of the time the proof was available - not yet. As of now it is just another one of your liberal lies! Yet you STILL can't prove it's a lie; nor have you demonstrated he was "Liberal crazy".  And btw, I didn't have to wait to prove the sign was real either, but I choose to.  Fools deserve to be exposed.


How ironic. Here we have one complaining about a poster noting, "Blacks killing blacks in Chicago, not people killing people." Yet, this same individual starts a topic titled, "Another WHITE man kills with a AR-15." 

Could this be the height of hypocrisy? Shouldn't we expect more from one from the Center??


LOL....you crack me up.  I have no problem with anyone saying "blacks killing blacks" in Chicago, fang; you missed the point for some reason. One of your fellow far right-wing posters falsely claimed that Repubs/Cons didn't see color, they see people. So I referenced the constant "blacks killing blacks in Chicago" narrative of Conservatives here. In fact, the poster who made the "we see people as people" question whether the headline of this topic was racist.

 

So, the hypocrisy is very clear, but clearly it resides with the Repubs/Cons referrenced above. I apologize you found the point confusing.


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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@NOTHAPPENINGwrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:


Actually I can back it up, NOT, and I will when I choose to; NOT when you want it. I prefer to let some embarrass themselves just as two did claiming my signature line was a lie and made-up.  But thanks for asking.... 


Thanks for nothing. If you can't back it up, then your comment means nothing. But I can, and will on my terms, just as I did before as previously stated.  Sometimes it's just best to let some reveal themselves.  For example, one claimed Repubs/Cons only see people and not the "color" of people; a nice bumper stick but we've seen MANY Repubs/Cons here fall into the rabbit hole clearly commenting on blacks and not people.  For example, how many times have you posted about blacks killing blacks in Chicago?  Not once have you said, "people killing people".  No need to get excited though, nobody believed the bumper sticker anyway.  In fact, another posted "Black lives don't matter"....he didn't post, "People's lives don't matter".  When I first heard of the shooting near Nashville, I wondered if he was passing through Tennessee.

 

If you find out in the future that he was a Trump supporter, then you became RIGHT naw.....nev-ah.  I'll always be a Centrist....support the best of both sides and loath the worst.  as of the time the proof was available - not yet. As of now it is just another one of your liberal lies! Yet you STILL can't prove it's a lie; nor have you demonstrated he was "Liberal crazy".  And btw, I didn't have to wait to prove the sign was real either, but I choose to.  Fools deserve to be exposed.


How ironic. Here we have one complaining about a poster noting, "Blacks killing blacks in Chicago, not people killing people." Yet, this same individual starts a topic titled, "Another WHITE man kills with a AR-15." 

Could this be the height of hypocrisy? Shouldn't we expect more from one from the Center??

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@aruzinskywrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@aruzinskywrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@john258wrote:

Well if you watched the TV News this evening (Not FOX) you heard the report he was tied to the Sovereign Citizens group. That is one of the far right groups.


The Sovereign Citizens has no relationship with Conservatism.


Huh ??????????????? This group, the Alt-Right and others on the far right, have "no relationship to Conservatism"?


From

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

 

"The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American, Canadian and Australian litigants, commentators, tax protesters, and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings"

 

Sounds more libertarian than conservative or liberal to me until you get  here:

 

"Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the United States government is illegitimate."

Now, it sounds much like the liberals who chanted, "Not my president."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/-not-my-president-anti-donald-trump-protests-erupt-across-the...


Fact, the majority of Libertarians vote Republican than Democrat.  In fact, three self-identified Libertarians on this forum said they voted Republican in the last General election.

 

Maybe you can answer this for the forum.  From what I've read, "Libertarians often don’t care if you’re gay or black or identify as a Pokemon; so long as you properly contribute to society and follow Libertarian policies, that’s to say, free markets, privatization, things like that, you’re a good American citizen."  Would you agree with that statement?  If so, two questions......one, what about the above in green do you think applies to the sovereign citizen movement?  And two......it'll depend on your answer to "one".  Thanks.


I don't know the statistics of libertarian policies because I didn't learn my libertarianism.  I often reinvent ideas and that was the case with my libertarianism.  Elsewhere in this forum, I explained my libertarian premise.  Unlike Sovereign Citizen, I want government to protect every individual from the wrong doings of other individuals.  This may or may not coincide with what other people calling themselves "libertarian" do.  I don't know. 

 

That's fair.  I understand your post to mean you like the Libertarian concept only, and not necessarily what the party actually promotes. Is that correct?

 

What do you think of the question posed after the premise in green above?

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@aruzinskywrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@john258wrote:

Well if you watched the TV News this evening (Not FOX) you heard the report he was tied to the Sovereign Citizens group. That is one of the far right groups.


The Sovereign Citizens has no relationship with Conservatism.


Huh ??????????????? This group, the Alt-Right and others on the far right, have "no relationship to Conservatism"?


From

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

 

"The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American, Canadian and Australian litigants, commentators, tax protesters, and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings"

 

Sounds more libertarian than conservative or liberal to me until you get  here:

 

"Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the United States government is illegitimate."

Now, it sounds much like the liberals who chanted, "Not my president."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/-not-my-president-anti-donald-trump-protests-erupt-across-the...


Fact, the majority of Libertarians vote Republican than Democrat.  In fact, three self-identified Libertarians on this forum said they voted Republican in the last General election.

 

Maybe you can answer this for the forum.  From what I've read, "Libertarians often don’t care if you’re gay or black or identify as a Pokemon; so long as you properly contribute to society and follow Libertarian policies, that’s to say, free markets, privatization, things like that, you’re a good American citizen."  Would you agree with that statement?  If so, two questions......one, what about the above in green do you think applies to the sovereign citizen movement?  And two......it'll depend on your answer to "one".  Thanks.


I don't know the statistics of libertarian policies because I didn't learn my libertarianism.  I often reinvent ideas and that was the case with my libertarianism.  Elsewhere in this forum, I explained my libertarian premise.  Unlike Sovereign Citizen, I want government to protect every individual from the wrong doings of other individuals.  This may or may not coincide with what other people calling themselves "libertarian" do.  I don't know.  BTW, I don't care what Trump says, there is no opioid crisis.

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@Richvawrote:

Why do they never report the professed religion of these mass shooters? If they are Muslim, the news always mentions it.  I want to know how many Baptists are mass murderers


Hint: Because mass murderers other than Muslims don't start their vicious attacks, by screaming, "Allahu Jesus Christ". They are driven by pure evil. Muslims on the other hand, believe (correctly or icorrectly)  Smiley Indifferent they are performing the act in the name of their religion.

If you want to know how many Baptists, then go down to the local Southern Baptist church and ask the minister. I'm sure he'll invite you in for a rum and coke and fill you in on the exact number.


Once again a Conservative demonstrates the inability to discern between Muslims and Muslim extremists. In 2018, that's rather sad and disappointing for an American citizen.

 

Historically, White Supremacists have embraced Christianity and have attacked Catholics and Jews while killing those of different races.  Quite the Christian-like behavior, eh?


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ChasKy53:   Huh ??????????????? This group, the Alt-Right and others on the far right, have "no relationship to Conservatism"?

 

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Exactly. I remember about three years ago when the DHS put out a report saying  Sovereign Citizens were considered domestic terrorists. Conservatives went into a massive tizzy over it and DHS actually retracted it (unfortunately). If there's no relationship to conservatism, why the outrage?

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