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alf - "Nothing wrong with equality - unless a republican/conservative has to allow anyone not a republican/conservative to be equal... "

 

That, my friend, is a discussion ender. If that is not your intent, let me know and we can see about doing a "restart".

 


 

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Friend?  Uhh - guess I need to be blunt here...

 

I have acquaintances who are republicans.

 

I haven't had any friends who were republicans since Nixon v Kennedy.

 

 

 

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alf - "Nothing wrong with equality - unless a republican/conservative has to allow anyone not a republican/conservative to be equal... "

 

That, my friend, is a discussion ender. If that is not your intent, let me know and we can see about doing a "restart".

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Define?  With pleasure.

 

In the mixture of limited free market capitalism with a healthy amount of socialism...

 

Enact additional federal statutory limitations upon free market capitalism - notably in Banking and Wall Street that under no circumstance is allowed to total more than 150% of current limitations - essentially close the loopholes that disadvantage the little guy and create unfair advantage for the big guy.

I agree with the first part. But the second part is a bit ambiguous. I'm all for no special advantage for anyone. Just eliminate big guy's current unfair advantage - establish equality. And therein lies the rub. How do you do that without taking the freedom out of the free market.  It's not and hasn't been a completely free market for over a century - will never be a completely free market - disadvantage/fine/jail the crooks that give the so-called free market a bad reputation.

 

Statutorily enact "socialist" programs totalling no more than 150% of current "socialist" programs - essentially make certain that minority and poor kids have identical educational opportunities/funding to those that rich kids in the finest private schools have. 

The problem is that by doing that you are establishing limits on what private schools can do. I prefer that public schools have guidelines established aimed, not at what someone else is doing, but on what will create the best possible education outcomes. But this is really separate from "the economy".

No limit/penalty imposed upon private schools - public schools become absolutely equal - more of that equality... To me it makes more sense for school districts to design theirs so as to maximize their effect, not approach it from "They have it so we want it".  That's exactly the same kind of "separate but equal" lie that post bellum racists - and now republican/conservative bigoted and prejudiced liars are trying to run as their current scam - it's grossly dishonest - it's what republicans are lying their butts off to avoid having to admit about republicans.  

 

Nothing complicated.   Level the playing field - everywhere.

I like that. But the question is always "Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?".  Always - equality of opportunity Agreed, and the measurement can't be on results. That often leads to skewing the "up-front" based on the end results.   Whatchoo doin talkin results, willis?

You be trying to run another crooked scam - again...

Need to stop trying to dishonestly change the subject.

 

Since all men and women are created equal - treat them all equal...

Same as above.    Same as above. Same as above.

 

"Equal"  if women can't get birth control or abortions in a state then men can't get vasectomies or viagra in that state - etc etc...

Separate issue.   Well then - how about keeping things like they are? - women can get abortions on demand during the first trimester and birth control anytime, and men can get vasectomies and viagra...

Don't want any of that nasty old inequality with women being unequally discriminated against and men getting whatever they want...

No real Patriotic American Citizen would allow/stand for something like that - only one of Putin's punks would be like that... Separate issue. If there is a natural disparity we cannot legislate changes to nature. "Putin" comment was a bit childish and off topic.    That's why bigoted prejudiced republican/conservative white "males" need to keep their lying dishonest fingers off of issues that pertain only to women - they will never manage to be the kind of real men who are high enough quality to be considered equal to women - and disadvantaging women won't ever make them even the tiniest bit better.

 

 

Nothing wrong with equality - unless a republican/conservative has to allow anyone not a republican/conservative to be equal...





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@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:


Define?  With pleasure.

 

In the mixture of limited free market capitalism with a healthy amount of socialism...

 

Enact additional federal statutory limitations upon free market capitalism - notably in Banking and Wall Street that under no circumstance is allowed to total more than 150% of current limitations - essentially close the loopholes that disadvantage the little guy and create unfair advantage for the big guy.

I agree with the first part. But the second part is a bit ambiguous. I'm all for no special advantage for anyone. Just eliminate big guy's current unfair advantage - establish equality. And therein lies the rub. How do you do that without taking the freedom out of the free market. 

 

Statutorily enact "socialist" programs totalling no more than 150% of current "socialist" programs - essentially make certain that minority and poor kids have identical educational opportunities/funding to those that rich kids in the finest private schools have. 

The problem is that by doing that you are establishing limits on what private schools can do. I prefer that public schools have guidelines established aimed, not at what someone else is doing, but on what will create the best possible education outcomes. But this is really separate from "the economy".

No limit/penalty imposed upon private schools - public schools become absolutely equal - more of that equality... To me it makes more sense for school districts to design theirs so as to maximize their effect, not approach it from "They have it so we want it".

 

Nothing complicated.   Level the playing field - everywhere.

I like that. But the question is always "Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?".  Always - equality of opportunity Agreed, and the measurement can't be on results. That often leads to skewing the "up-front" based on the end results.

 

Since all men and women are created equal - treat them all equal...

Same as above.    Same as above. Same as above.

 

"Equal"  if women can't get birth control or abortions in a state then men can't get vasectomies or viagra in that state - etc etc...

Separate issue.   Well then - how about keeping things like they are? - women can get abortions on demand during the first trimester and birth control anytime, and men can get vasectomies and viagra...

Don't want any of that nasty old inequality with women being unequally discriminated against and men getting whatever they want...

No real Patriotic American Citizen would allow/stand for something like that - only one of Putin's punks would be like that... Separate issue. If there is a natural disparity we cannot legislate changes to nature. "Putin" comment was a bit childish and off topic.

 

Nothing wrong with equality, is there?

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@alferdpacker wrote:


Define?  With pleasure.

 

In the mixture of limited free market capitalism with a healthy amount of socialism...

 

Enact additional federal statutory limitations upon free market capitalism - notably in Banking and Wall Street that under no circumstance is allowed to total more than 150% of current limitations - essentially close the loopholes that disadvantage the little guy and create unfair advantage for the big guy.

I agree with the first part. But the second part is a bit ambiguous. I'm all for no special advantage for anyone. Just eliminate big guy's current unfair advantage - establish equality.

 

Statutorily enact "socialist" programs totalling no more than 150% of current "socialist" programs - essentially make certain that minority and poor kids have identical educational opportunities/funding to those that rich kids in the finest private schools have. 

The problem is that by doing that you are establishing limits on what private schools can do. I prefer that public schools have guidelines established aimed, not at what someone else is doing, but on what will create the best possible education outcomes. But this is really separate from "the economy".

No limit/penalty imposed upon private schools - public schools become absolutely equal - more of that equality...

 

Nothing complicated.   Level the playing field - everywhere.

I like that. But the question is always "Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?".  Always - equality of opportunity

 

Since all men and women are created equal - treat them all equal...

Same as above.    Same as above.

 

"Equal"  if women can't get birth control or abortions in a state then men can't get vasectomies or viagra in that state - etc etc...

Separate issue.   Well then - how about keeping things like they are? - women can get abortions on demand during the first trimester and birth control anytime, and men can get vasectomies and viagra...

Don't want any of that nasty old inequality with women being unequally discriminated against and men getting whatever they want...

No real Patriotic American Citizen would allow/stand for something like that - only one of Putin's punks would be like that...

 

Nothing wrong with equality, is there?

Love it!!!

 Good!

 



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Not "accepting", chas - understanding.

 

Once again - how do you see a "healthy portion of socialism" in the economy? Not food stamps or libraries but in the actual functioning of the economy.

 

Considering the topic, that certainly seems like a reasonable area to get into.


I posted what I thought more than once and could care less if you understand it or not. I would repeat the same thing again but I feel you would once again claim to not understand it. By the way, my statement did not include the "economy", "food stamps", or" libraries".


Is there any reason you cannot reengage?? BTW since you did not include the "economy" you must have been way off topic and that could explain why it did not register with me.

 

So, once again - how do you see the ideal economy working with regard to government involvement?

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Define?  With pleasure.

 

In the mixture of limited free market capitalism with a healthy amount of socialism...

 

Enact additional federal statutory limitations upon free market capitalism - notably in Banking and Wall Street that under no circumstance is allowed to total more than 150% of current limitations - essentially close the loopholes that disadvantage the little guy and create unfair advantage for the big guy.

I agree with the first part. But the second part is a bit ambiguous. I'm all for no special advantage for anyone. 

 

Statutorily enact "socialist" programs totalling no more than 150% of current "socialist" programs - essentially make certain that minority and poor kids have identical educational opportunities/funding to those that rich kids in the finest private schools have. 

The problem is that by doing that you are establishing limits on what private schools can do. I prefer that public schools have guidelines established aimed, not at what someone else is doing, but on what will create the best possible education outcomes. But this is really separate from "the economy".

 

Nothing complicated.   Level the playing field - everywhere.

I like that. But the question is always "Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?".

 

Since all men and women are created equal - treat them all equal...

Same as above.

 

"Equal"  if women can't get birth control or abortions in a state then men can't get vasectomies or viagra in that state - etc etc...

Separate issue.

 

Nothing wrong with equality, is there?

Love it!!!

 


 

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Not "accepting", chas - understanding.

 

Once again - how do you see a "healthy portion of socialism" in the economy? Not food stamps or libraries but in the actual functioning of the economy.

 

Considering the topic, that certainly seems like a reasonable area to get into.


I posted what I thought more than once and could care less if you understand it or not. I would repeat the same thing again but I feel you would once again claim to not understand it. By the way, my statement did not include the "economy", "food stamps", or" libraries".


"The only thing that man learns from history is that man learns nothing from history."
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Rk, I just notified the moderators on your last post, adn will continue doing it to any poster that does not have the courtesy of not deleting previous posts please, please take the time to view your post and see why is it that you cannot delete anything previous and subject us all to the post of completely non readable material.


Thank you for doing this.

I have noted to the moderators that some posters appear to have quoted a long post twice in what appears to be an act intended to make reading and following posts even harder to do....

 

 

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@alferdpacker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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Any ideas??


A - Yes, many, however, I decline to post them.


Interesting - so many words, and no ideas that can be posted. Sorta misses the point of "discussion board".


There's no need to engage in personal attack and personal insult.

B - Just admit that the points my posts made completely escaped you...


A does not lead to B.


The red highlighted portion of my post refers to points and posts - both plurals - meaning that multiple points from multiple posts are referred to that clearly must be considered - how many posts?  The last fifty will do for a start...

 

The childishly simplistic response is obviously completely inadequate - something else that may be an indication that a great many essential and critical meanings may have escaped notice as well as logical and rational cognitive consideration...

 

Words have meanings...


Yes they do. Now, would you care to use some to define your position on the issue rather than on evading the issue??


Define?  With pleasure.

 

In the mixture of limited free market capitalism with a healthy amount of socialism...

 

Enact additional federal statutory limitations upon free market capitalism - notably in Banking and Wall Street that under no circumstance is allowed to total more than 150% of current limitations - essentially close the loopholes that disadvantage the little guy and create unfair advantage for the big guy.

 

Statutorily enact "socialist" programs totalling no more than 150% of current "socialist" programs - essentially make certain that minority and poor kids have identical educational opportunities/funding to those that rich kids in the finest private schools have. 

 

Nothing complicated.   Level the playing field - everywhere.

 

Since all men and women are created equal - treat them all equal...

 

"Equal"  if women can't get birth control or abortions in a state then men can't get vasectomies or viagra in that state - etc etc...

 

Nothing wrong with equality, is there?

 

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