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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.



@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.


And the beat goes on!!!!!!!! Roll tide guys  another question in an inane thread. want to continue,?   it will never end. 


Not if you keep adding to it.

 

How did you like the one from the Brecht Forum? I thought the ending where he mentioned FDR and the Occupy Movement was quite interesting

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@umbarch64 wrote:

@nyadrn wrote:

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@nyadrn wrote:

>>Oh are they..  and in what way do you believe that Americans have demonstrated an opposition to capitalism?  In the booming drug trade that has made many low time criminals into American capitalists?  In their total refusal to buy buy buy from those capitalistic companies their penny wage, out of the country made goods?  

 

I find it interesting that a country that is swamped in excess spending debt, for as many excessively cheaply made products as they can get, can be seen to have demonstrated any opposition to capitalism.  As is long said.. money talks and the rest walks.  


Yeah, well, for such inequities governments are devised by the people to do what they, by themselves, cannot.  They all seem to have problems.  I suggest to you that there is a reason for it all....it's called 'unenlightened self interest'.  


Cannot is not the same as will not and I agree with the self interest.  

 

 


Cannot is NOT the same as will not.  I said what I meant and I meant what I said.  Your response implies my reasoning left something out.  Please explain what it was and why you did that .  


You said that govts are devised to do what they the people cannot.  People individually have the power to chose what to buy and who to buy it from. Govt does not supercede that, but rather take other actions.  Neither replaces the other.  

 

 

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@nyadrn wrote:

@umbarch64 wrote:

@nyadrn wrote:

>>Oh are they..  and in what way do you believe that Americans have demonstrated an opposition to capitalism?  In the booming drug trade that has made many low time criminals into American capitalists?  In their total refusal to buy buy buy from those capitalistic companies their penny wage, out of the country made goods?  

 

I find it interesting that a country that is swamped in excess spending debt, for as many excessively cheaply made products as they can get, can be seen to have demonstrated any opposition to capitalism.  As is long said.. money talks and the rest walks.  


Yeah, well, for such inequities governments are devised by the people to do what they, by themselves, cannot.  They all seem to have problems.  I suggest to you that there is a reason for it all....it's called 'unenlightened self interest'.  


Cannot is not the same as will not and I agree with the self interest.  

 

 


Cannot is NOT the same as will not.  I said what I meant and I meant what I said.  Your response implies my reasoning left something out.  Please explain what it was and why you did that .  

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.


Of course you "assume", and you assume wrong.

 

Both parts. The first part describes an opinion/position that mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

'End of dicussion' means that your question has been answered and no further discussion is necessary.

 

You ask a person's position on this and when it is given and disagrees with your position you respond with never ending claims. Can you just agree to disagree?


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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.



@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.


And the beat goes on!!!!!!!! Roll tide guys  another question in an inane thread. want to continue,?   it will never end. 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


Which part? Based on your normal contribution to discussions, I assume the latter.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.


Did you ignore this(?):

 

mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


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@alferdpacker wrote:

 


 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.



O.K. It's just that since you threw Finland into the discussion you might know something about it.

 

It seems that we are mostly pretty much in agreement that a free market partnered with government which insures that freedom is the best economic system.

 

I think a lot of the problem comes up in one major area - the idea of a "level playing field". Some see that as equal opportunity where others see it as equal outcome. Government can properly assure the first but not the latter.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 

What countries?

Finland

Norway

Denmark

Sweden

Canada

Belgium

 

 

Yeah - we know - you are fanatically humping free market capitalism with as few controls as possible.

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

In short - just like the whacko Birchers were ejected from the ranks of logical, rational, and responsible conservatism, and just like that infamous whack-job Goldwater's dingbat ideas automatically put him out of any kind of serious contention - the majority of Americans will never agree with your positions.

 

Those countries are successes.

trump's ideas will end up being an abject failure.


 

 So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

We absolutely unconditionally and unequivocally have never been in agreement regarding a free market economy. 

 

I can however agree to the concept of a constitutionally/statutorily limited free market economy with whatever level of socialism is necessary to do the things that shallow, greedy, selfish, republicans/conservatives - due to their character defects - would fail to do to help their less fortunate fellow human beings who cannot (I specifically exclude those who "will not") be economically, or in any other manner fully functional members of society.

 

That would be what I consider a minimum acceptable economic model.   

 

It's one functional way(that constitutional/statutory part) to help keep republicans/conservatives from acting as predators upon those who cannot defend or otherwise help themselves.

 

As a curiosity - is the economy in Finland drastically different from that??


You will have to more clearly explain specifically what "that" entails...  

 

Sorry. Since it was the words immediately preceding your comments it seemed obvious. But......"So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

(Due to what appears to me to be persistent maliciously calculated, deliberately disingenuous misquoting, misrepresentation, and "lying for the cause",  I'm not always going to answer your questions at length for reasons I decline to justify)

Do all those loosely connected syllables have some relationship to the subject under discussion?

 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 No need - mixtures of limited free market capitalism and a healthy portion of socialism work best.

 

End of discussion.


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@alferdpacker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 

What countries?

Finland

Norway

Denmark

Sweden

Canada

Belgium

 

 

Yeah - we know - you are fanatically humping free market capitalism with as few controls as possible.

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

In short - just like the whacko Birchers were ejected from the ranks of logical, rational, and responsible conservatism, and just like that infamous whack-job Goldwater's dingbat ideas automatically put him out of any kind of serious contention - the majority of Americans will never agree with your positions.

 

Those countries are successes.

trump's ideas will end up being an abject failure.


 

 So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

We absolutely unconditionally and unequivocally have never been in agreement regarding a free market economy. 

 

I can however agree to the concept of a constitutionally/statutorily limited free market economy with whatever level of socialism is necessary to do the things that shallow, greedy, selfish, republicans/conservatives - due to their character defects - would fail to do to help their less fortunate fellow human beings who cannot (I specifically exclude those who "will not") be economically, or in any other manner fully functional members of society.

 

That would be what I consider a minimum acceptable economic model.   

 

It's one functional way(that constitutional/statutory part) to help keep republicans/conservatives from acting as predators upon those who cannot defend or otherwise help themselves.

 

As a curiosity - is the economy in Finland drastically different from that??


You will have to more clearly explain specifically what "that" entails...  

 

Sorry. Since it was the words immediately preceding your comments it seemed obvious. But......"So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

(Due to what appears to me to be persistent maliciously calculated, deliberately disingenuous misquoting, misrepresentation, and "lying for the cause",  I'm not always going to answer your questions at length for reasons I decline to justify)

Do all those loosely connected syllables have some relationship to the subject under discussion?

 

So, shall we get back to the Finland model??


 

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