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@BigLib wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

I'll keep this short since your lips get tired while reading.

 

Feel free to join the rest of us in the economic reality.

 

 


I'm sorry but I really cannot see anything remotely connected to the topic in that. Did you have something to offer to the discussion??


When I post about the topic in a manner different than your one-line put downs, but to the "deeper" discussion you claimed to wanted to have, you accuse me of posting a "mile longer" and dismiss it. Sure would help if you'd make up your frikkin' mind.

 

By the way, 20+ pages into this thread, and no one has said how "unhappy" they are with capitalism, and no one has seemed afraid to "let their real feelings out." No one has even come close to expressing a "desire.. to dump the America we have." Wonder why your first post is so full of fallacies.

 

 


Once again - I'm sorry but I really cannot see anything remotely connected to the topic in that. Did you have something to offer to the discussion??

 

If you think this topic has no value, why are you posting on it?? Try to remember, these are "discussion" boards, not "put down" boards.

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The biguest problem with this thread is that we have allowed a poster to continuously bait other posters into having to answer  his never ending questions and now this thread has turned into a really boring situation and has accomplish nothing.

Capitalism is here to stay in the US. people are happy in the US with capitalism and they don't want to see any changes. so.

The alternative to Capitalism is to move to another country.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 

What countries?

Finland

Norway

Denmark

Sweden

Canada

Belgium

 

 

Yeah - we know - you are fanatically humping free market capitalism with as few controls as possible.

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

In short - just like the whacko Birchers were ejected from the ranks of logical, rational, and responsible conservatism, and just like that infamous whack-job Goldwater's dingbat ideas automatically put him out of any kind of serious contention - the majority of Americans will never agree with your positions.

 

Those countries are successes.

trump's ideas will end up being an abject failure.


 

 So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

We absolutely unconditionally and unequivocally have never been in agreement regarding a free market economy. 

 

I can however agree to the concept of a constitutionally/statutorily limited free market economy with whatever level of socialism is necessary to do the things that shallow, greedy, selfish, republicans/conservatives - due to their character defects - would fail to do to help their less fortunate fellow human beings who cannot (I specifically exclude those who "will not") be economically, or in any other manner fully functional members of society.

 

That would be what I consider a minimum acceptable economic model.   

 

It's one functional way(that constitutional/statutory part) to help keep republicans/conservatives from acting as predators upon those who cannot defend or otherwise help themselves.

 

As a curiosity - is the economy in Finland drastically different from that??


You will have to more clearly explain specifically what "that" entails...  

 

(Due to what appears to me to be persistent maliciously calculated, deliberately disingenuous misquoting, misrepresentation, and "lying for the cause",  I'm not always going to answer your questions at length for reasons I decline to justify)

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>>Oh are they..  and in what way do you believe that Americans have demonstrated an opposition to capitalism?  In the booming drug trade that has made many low time criminals into American capitalists?  In their total refusal to buy buy buy from those capitalistic companies their penny wage, out of the country made goods?  

 

I find it interesting that a country that is swamped in excess spending debt, for as many excessively cheaply made products as they can get, can be seen to have demonstrated any opposition to capitalism.  As is long said.. money talks and the rest walks.  


Yeah, well, for such inequities governments are devised by the people to do what they, by themselves, cannot.  They all seem to have problems.  I suggest to you that there is a reason for it all....it's called 'unenlightened self interest'.  


Cannot is not the same as will not and I agree with the self interest.  

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

I'll keep this short since your lips get tired while reading.

 

Feel free to join the rest of us in the economic reality.

 

 


I'm sorry but I really cannot see anything remotely connected to the topic in that. Did you have something to offer to the discussion??


When I post about the topic in a manner different than your one-line put downs, but to the "deeper" discussion you claimed to wanted to have, you accuse me of posting a "mile longer" and dismiss it. Sure would help if you'd make up your frikkin' mind.

 

By the way, 20+ pages into this thread, and no one has said how "unhappy" they are with capitalism, and no one has seemed afraid to "let their real feelings out." No one has even come close to expressing a "desire.. to dump the America we have." Wonder why your first post is so full of fallacies.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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Who ever said that Wolff is a Bircher?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D._Wolff

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@nyadrn wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 ....

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

Oh are they..  and in what way do you believe that Americans have demonstrated an opposition to capitalism?  In the booming drug trade that has made many low time criminals into American capitalists?  In their total refusal to buy buy buy from those capitalistic companies their penny wage, out of the country made goods?  

 

I find it interesting that a country that is swamped in excess spending debt, for as many excessively cheaply made products as they can get, can be seen to have demonstrated any opposition to capitalism.  As is long said.. money talks and the rest walks.  


Yeah, well, for such inequities governments are devised by the people to do what they, by themselves, cannot.  They all seem to have problems.  I suggest to you that there is a reason for it all....it's called 'unenlightened self interest'.  

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So you believe in free market capitalism "I believe in free market capitalism." but you don't "But the government has a major role to play in that"

 

Once the government gets involved you no longer have free market capitalism. Anti-trust legislation chips away at free market capitalism as does every other regulation. Government regulations have done more to allow one to have their own business than they have stopped that business.

 

Honest people would work to change individual regulations that they see are bad rather than attacking all regulations. The current rant from the right is that all regulations are bad except those that support their need to discriminate.


Fine - I have defined my preference regarding the economy. You can put whatever label on it that makes you happy.


OK, so you don't know the definition of 'free market capitalism', fine.


OK, so would you like to help me understand your definition of "free market capitalism"?

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@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 

What countries?

Finland

Norway

Denmark

Sweden

Canada

Belgium

 

 

Yeah - we know - you are fanatically humping free market capitalism with as few controls as possible.

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

In short - just like the whacko Birchers were ejected from the ranks of logical, rational, and responsible conservatism, and just like that infamous whack-job Goldwater's dingbat ideas automatically put him out of any kind of serious contention - the majority of Americans will never agree with your positions.

 

Those countries are succeses.

trump's ideas will end up being an abject failure.


At first I was tempted to ask what you were so angry about. But then I realized from the last sentence that President Trump lives in your brain and has that effect. No problemo - forget about him, he is not part of this discussion. This is about that well known Bircher, Richard Wolff who I have never heard associated with Goldwater before. I suspect he might not be pleased.

 

 

So, bottom line - we are in agreement that the free market economy with the government assuring it's freedom is the best package.

 

As a curiosity - is the economy in Finland drastically different from that??

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@alferdpacker wrote:

Out here in the real world, economies that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are more functional - the economies of the nations are healthy, their citizens are healthier, happier and better educated - better places to live...

 ....

 

There's a problem - the vast majority of your fellow American citizens are opposed to your ideas.

 

Oh are they..  and in what way do you believe that Americans have demonstrated an opposition to capitalism?  In the booming drug trade that has made many low time criminals into American capitalists?  In their total refusal to buy buy buy from those capitalistic companies their penny wage, out of the country made goods?  

 

I find it interesting that a country that is swamped in excess spending debt, for as many excessively cheaply made products as they can get, can be seen to have demonstrated any opposition to capitalism.  As is long said.. money talks and the rest walks.  

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