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I think one of the most bizarre aspects of the election is the manner in which Trump supporters never hold the man accountable. Many Trump supporters said they couldn't vote for Hillary whom they think is a liar. Fair enough, I wouldn't want to vote for a liar either.

 

But how or why can they then vote for Donald Trump who's a pathological liar? The man has no relationship with honesty or the truth. This double standard is unbelievable.

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Lk152 it seems you got a lot off your chest but as usual you take things to extreme and you will be disappointed in your hopeful demise of Trump. You spouted the same rhetoric before the election and you also miss the point of why Trump was elected. The Obama administration had it`s share of lies and deceit (Fast and Furious, IRS,VA ,NSA, Obamacare,Benghazi etc. etc.) You also fail to mention the many lies of Hillary and decades of scandals. Trump offer the American people a different path and there lies your problem. All administration get off to a bumpy start but in spite of this Trump has tried to deliver everything he promise and if it weren`t for the obstructionists he would be further along but no doubt he will  achieve most of it. I`m sure the Trump derangement syndrome will continue for the next several years but he isn`t going anywhere so sit back and enjoy the ride.

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I know Connie Schultz and have met her on several occasions. Like me she is also a graduate of Kent State University and also is currently an adjunct professor of journalism at Kent State. I also know and corespond electronically with Charles Blow. His background is much different than Connie Schultz, but both columnists are speaking the truth about Donald Trump. Our President is a serial liar who often either is deliberately lying or just cannot tell the difference between the truth and a lie. 

 

All politicians make exagerrated statements and many often tell lies. But Donald Trump has taken political lying to a level not seen since the days of Richard Nixon's administration. In the end Nixon's lies and deceit proved to be his undoing. I believe that this will also prove to be Donald Trump's undoing as well with a similar result. 

 

The big difference is that perhaps Donald Trump's fall will be much quicker than Richard Nixon's fall from grace. After all, President Richard Nixon did win two elections as President and won a second term in a landslide. He had a lot of support and "political capital". In addition when Nixon began his second term in January 1973, his approval numbers were very high, more than 60% of the public approved of him. He had just announced a peace treaty that ended our combat role in the Vietnam war and the POWs as well as our troops were coming home. 

 

Then the scandal broke in March 1973 and within 17 months, Richard Nixon had resigned his office as President in disgrace. In addition his Vice President Sprio Agnew had also resigned in disgrace in October 1973 over another corruption issue from when he served as governor of Maryland. 

 

Experience and history has shown that when someone in elected office, especially the Presidnet of the United States continually lies about trivial matters such as the size of the crowd as his inauguration, they will also lie about more serious matters as well. Then there will be the inevitable cover up of those lies as well as the denial. 

 

Only the suppression of the media and the press can keep a liar in power. That is how Adolph Hitler managed to take power in Germany and stay in power. Hitler controlled the media and turned Germany into a police state to remain in power. 

 

But that won't work in the United States where there is a long history and constitutional guarantees of a free press and media. Turning the United States into a police state won't work either. Eventually Donald Trump will be destroyed by the very same lies that he keeps repeating. 

 

It is only a matter is time before Donald Trump is destroyed by his lying. Perhaps Abraham Lincoln said it best when he said "you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." 

 

Eventually President Donald Trump will have the same fate as President Richard Nixon. I give him until the summer of 2018. 

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Here is another column addressing the same topic by one of my favorite columnists, Connie Schultz. Connie is a Pulitzer Prize winning columnist who used to work for the Cleveland Plain Dealer. She now works for Creators syndicate and is also the wife of U.S, Senator Sherrod Brown. Here is what Connie Schultz has to say:

 

Her name was Miss Nelson.

 

I don't recall her first name. She didn't seem to need one.

 

She taught fifth grade at West Elementary School in Ashtabula, Ohio. In the fall of 1967, my mother dropped me off in her classroom like a failed adoption. My mother would deny that characterization, but we all knew that Miss Nelson had a reputation. She was tall and wide with a voice that carried and a mind inclined to use it. I'd never seen anybody like her.

 

You know how this story goes. She also had a heart bigger than a Dodge wagon. She hid it well in the first few weeks, but soon enough she was holding after-class sewing sessions for all of us girls. She claimed to be teaching us how to make clothes for our Barbie dolls, but it was just an excuse to gather us round and talk to us about how to be citizens of the world.

 

She believed diagramming sentences builds character and profanity is the sign of a diminished mind. She hated the word "liar," declaring it the worst thing you could ever say about a person. If he was a liar, there was no hope for him.

All these years later, I'm still so reluctant to use the word. Some people you never stop wanting to avoid disappointing.

 

I've been thinking of Miss Nelson a lot during the past few days — since Inauguration Day, to be precise. It hurts to the marrow of my bones to say this, but there's no use in pretending that we don't have a chronic liar in the White House.

 

On Tuesday, I made a list of newspaper headlines on Donald Trump's continued lie about nonexistent voter fraud.

 

The New York Times: "Trump Won't Back Down From His Voting Fraud Lie. Here Are the Facts."

 

The Washington Post: "Citing no new evidence, Trump continues to say there were millions of illegal votes."

The Boston Globe: "White House defends illegal voting claim, without evidence."

 

Los Angeles Times: "Trump's unproven claims of widespread voter fraud trip up White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer."

 

Chicago Tribune: "White House doubles down on Trump's claim that millions voted illegally, but provides no evidence."

 

The Wall Street Journal: "Trump's Claim of Massive Illegal Voting Gets Little Support From GOP Lawmakers."

 

This is our new reality.

We still have our holdouts. NPR listeners wanted to know why Mary Louise Kelly reported on Trump's many lies but wouldn't call them what they are: lies. On "Morning Edition," Kelly explained that she relies on The Oxford English Dictionary's definition of "lie."

 

"A false statement made with intent to deceive," Kelly said, "'intent' being the key word there. Without the ability to peer into Donald Trump's head, I can't tell you what his intent was. I can tell you what he said and how that squares — or doesn't — with facts."

 

At what age is adulthood assumed and a person held accountable for his words? Unless he admits he lied, we're supposed to think he's just flirting?

 

True, I can't peer into the dark recesses of Trump's head — thank you, Jesus — but that doesn't mean I can't discern his intentions by the content of his words.

 

He lies, but he may not mean it? That's like someone hitting me in the head with a baseball bat and then assuring me on the ambulance ride that he didn't mean to make me bleed. At some point, one of us has to state the obvious because the medical staff and the police are definitely going to have their assumptions.

Every time I hear another lie come out of Trump's mouth — about his inauguration crowd (smaller than Barack Obama's and the Women's March), voter fraud (it didn't exist), the media's accusing him of attacking the intelligence community (he compared them to the Nazis) — I feel as if I'm back in junior high school trying to break up with the boy my mother warned me wasn't stable.

 

Read the entire column at this link:

https://www.creators.com/read/connie-schultz/01/17/its-called-lying

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After a little more than two weeks in office, it has become very clear that President Donald Trump is a serial liar. Whether it is because he is plain ignorant of the facts or that this is a calculated effort to justify his statements and actions; a lie is still a lie and the person telling it is still a liar. 

 

Throughout the 2016 campaign for President; Politifact, an independent fact checking web site sponsored by the Tampa Bay Times, has rated 69% of Donald Trump's statements made during the Presidential campaign as either "mostly false" "false" or "pants on fire" (their worst rating as something so outlandish that not only is completely false but a blatant lie). In 2015, Politifact rated the entire Trump campaign for President as their "lie of the year". 

 

Check this out at this link:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

Things haven't gotten any better since the election. Now President Trump's media gurus, Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon are referring to The Donald's statements as "alternative facts". But "alternative facts" are just lies under a different name. 

 

Charles Blow, a syndicated columnist from the New York Times who once posted on this forum has called out President Donald Trump as a serial liar in his column from last week. Read on:

 

This is not a presentation of “alternative facts,” whatever that may mean, as Kellyanne Conway, President Trump’s mistress of misdirection, posited over the weekend.

 

These are lies; good old-fashioned lies, baldfaced and flat-out lies.

 

Some have suggested that we in the media should focus a bit less on these lies — some of them issued in tweets and some in interviews or news conferences — and focus more on policies, particularly the ineptitude of the gathering cabinet and the raft of executive orders that Trump himself is signing.

 

But I take the position that this is all worthy of coverage, that there are simply different kinds of news being unearthed about this administration that exist on different strata.

 

To take it even further, it may be these seemingly smaller infractions that produce the greater injury because the implications are more profound. Trump does not simply have “a running war with the media,” as he so indecorously and disrespectfully spouted off while standing on the hallowed ground before the C.I.A. Memorial Wall. He is in fact having a running war with the truth itself.

 

Donald Trump is a proven liar. He lies often and effortlessly. He lies about the profound and the trivial. He lies to avoid guilt and invite glory. He lies when his pride is injured and when his pomposity is challenged.

 

Indeed, one of the greatest threats Trump poses is that he corrupts and corrodes the absoluteness of truth, facts and science.

 

It is no coincidence that the rise of Trump is concurrent with the rise of “fake news.” It is no coincidence that his rise comes during an age of severely damaged faith in institutions.

 

And now that he has been elected, Trump wants absolute control over the flow of information, to dictate his own version of facts rather than live with the reality of accepted facts. Trump is in a battle to bend the truth to his benefit.

 

He hates members of the press because, when properly performing, they are truth seekers rather than ego-strokers. The press may sometimes get things wrong, but it most often gets them right. A truly independent press is not stocked with political acolytes but political adversaries.

 

This doesn’t sit well with an administration that wants to be perpetually patted on the back and never rapped on the knuckles.

 

So, even after his lie is reported and rejected, he continues to perpetuate it. This is what makes Trump qualitatively different from our leaders who came before him: He believes that truth is what he says it is, and the only reason it has yet to be accepted is that it has yet to be sufficiently repeated.

 

Unbowed, Trump published two tweets on Wednesday morning that read together:

“I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!”

 

This is just like Trump, whose inclination is never to admit a mistake, and instead to redouble his self-righteousness even in the midst of his wrong. This statement weakens our democracy and strengthens voter suppression efforts.

 

We all have to adjust to this unprecedented assault on the truth and stand ready to vigilantly defend against it, because without truth, what’s left? Our president is a pathological liar. Say it. Write it. Never become inured to it. And dispense with the terms of art to describe it. A lie by any other name portends the same.

 

Read the entire column at this link:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/opinion/a-lie-by-any-other-name.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=fb-nytime...

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