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Re: Acting Navy Secretary Blasts Ousted Aircraft Carrier Captain As 'Stupid' In Address To Ship's Cr

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Anyone who immediately dismisses Captain Crozier should consider this:

 

The cost of a US aircraft carrier is not cheap. It's many billions of dollars just to build the thing in the shipyard and to provisiion it with all the command electronics. Then it has many expensive aircraft on it of different types... another set of multiple billions of dollars. The cost just to run must be incredibly expensive with fuel, pay for the personnel, provisions for the personnel. 

 

These are so expensive that the US has only 20 aircraft carriers. They are a huge concentration of the "treasure" of the United States.

 

In my view, a captain selected to run such a ship certainly must be one of the very best officers in the Navy. The Navy would not select for this position anyone who was not fully qualified for command and had the complete confidence of their superiors

 

The dismissal of this Captain appears to be another one of Trump's failings of leadership.

 

For what it's worth, this related opinion article at the Navy Times is interesting:

https://www.navytimes.com/opinion/2020/04/06/in-speaking-truth-to-power-captain-crozier-made-us-prou...

 

Editing to include this excerpt from the article:

 

"Capt. Crozier will probably not be promoted to admiral, but when he left the carrier, he received a standing ovation from the sailors on the ship, something I have never seen before. And he has been universally thanked by the parents of those men and women serving on the Roosevelt."

I believe that says it all. Thank you Capt. Crozier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Acting Navy Secretary Blasts Ousted Aircraft Carrier Captain As 'Stupid' In Address To Ship's Cr

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@ManicProgressive 

Thanks for supplying the sound track. The only thing that is embarrassing is the Sec of Navy. This just sounds like another in the long line of trump disinformation coverups. And to berate the Captain in front of a crew, the same crew that was cheering their Captain...

to bad there is no video showing the crews reactions!

And I would hope at some point we will hear from the Captain, as to why he did what he did, and if he asked the higher ups in the chain of command for assistance, what sort of response or non response did he receive. 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/06/make-trump-look-bad-youll-get-fired/ 

 

More opinion on this from the Washington Post:

 

Make Trump look bad? You’ll get fired

 

Last week Crozier wrote a letter to his superiors urging them to allow more of the 4,800 sailors on his aircraft carrier to be removed for coronavirus testing; someone passed the letter to reporters and it appeared in public. In response, Crozier was fired by acting secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly. When Crozier left the ship, the sailors gathered to give him an emotional farewell.

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The Post’s David Ignatius interviewed Modly over the weekend, and what becomes clear is that while Modly wasn’t explicitly ordered by President Trump to fire Crozier, he was doing exactly what he knew Trump wanted. In the same way, when a mob boss says, “Rocco is becoming a problem,” his underlings know what to do without the boss saying, “I am instructing you to rub out Rocco.”

Here’s part of Ignatius’s account:

Modly said he “had no discussions with anyone at the White House prior to making the decision” to relieve Crozier. Referring to his boss, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper, he said: “That is Secretary Esper’s job, not mine.” Navy sources had said Modly told a colleague that Trump “wants him [Crozier] fired,” and though Modly denied getting any direct message to that effect, he clearly understood that Trump was unhappy with the uproar surrounding the Roosevelt.
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Here's the leaked recording:

 

https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/acting-secnav-modley-criticizing-capt-crozier-to-sailors-onboard... 

 

Some colorful commentary language in there, so be forewarned.   😄 

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Manic just said, "He completely eviscerates Modly."

 

Manic thoroughly confused and lost 98% of Trump World by using the verb "eviscerates".

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Does anyone follow Stonekettle on twitter or facebook?  He's a retired Navy Chief Warrant Officer. 

He completely eviscerates Modly.  

 

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/2903639876338063

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That guy is not even a career naval officer. Though he was in for 7 years.

 

He is "acting" because like so many of Trump's main "appointees" Trump doesn't want to go through Congress to have them vetted and approved, plus this way he can keep them on a short leash and not independent.

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Acting Navy Secretary Blasts Ousted Aircraft Carrier Captain As 'Stupid' In Address To Ship's Crew

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The Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly blasted the now ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew Monday morning, in remarks obtained by CNN.

 

Modly told the crew that their former commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, was either "too naive or too stupid" to be in command or that he intentionally leaked to the media a memo in which he warned about coronavirus spreading aboard the aircraft carrier and urged action to save his sailors.
 
The acting secretary accused Crozier of committing a "betrayal" and creating a "big controversy" in Washington by disseminating the warning so widely.
"It was a betrayal. And I can tell you one other thing: because he did that he put it in the public's forum and it is now a big controversy in Washington, DC," Modly said, according to a transcript of remarks Modly made to the crew, copies of which have been provided to CNN by multiple Navy officials.
 
'Too naive or too stupid'
 
In remarks that were piped over the vessel's PA system, Modly suggested Crozier leaked the memo on purpose or was "too naive or too stupid" to be in command if he didn't think that sending it to over 20 people would not result in it getting out to the public.
 
"If he didn't think, in my opinion, that this information wasn't going to get out to the public, in this day and information age that we live in, then he was either A, too naïve or too stupid to be a commanding officer of a ship like this," Modly said. "The alternative is that he did this on purpose."
 
Modly went on to say it was a "betrayal of trust, with me, with his chain of command."
Crozier had written to Navy leadership to alert them to the challenges of trying to contain the disease aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt and to urgently request sailors be allowed to quarantine off the ship.
 
"We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset: our Sailors," Crozier wrote in a memo that three US defense officials confirmed to CNN.
 
When asked if Modly's personal attack on Crozier was appropriate, a senior defense official said Monday, "I don't know what to say."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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