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Olderscout:  

I do believe you've hit on the underlying assumptions of the GOPerLords core beliefs.

They KNOW their lofo base is incapable of "doing the math" which is why they remain poor despite earning a decent wage.

 

 

 

I think math is less an issue than thinking they're "owning the libs and treehuggers". As I've said before, MENSA is never going to recruit from the base. *sigh*

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@williamb39198 

 

Trust me it wasn’t enjoyable at -65*, practically mooned the local parson. Caught the falling trousers, and saved my something or other.😎

 

Block heaters on VW and Ram TDI saved my posterior more than once.

 

was receiving monthly , “Windpower” just canceled subscription. Same as led something , my career path is tech computer/consulatant/OEM that makes me antique still interested in tech.

 

Clean coal and lack of ACA means those old or new coal miners, can just kiss their health goodbye and insurance.

 

Same as those that preceded them. 

 

Froze

And yes, after long days/nights, I'd still like to swing these hunks of glass , plastic and silicon against the nearest wall Come on retirement!
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@KidBoy2 

 

Noted, I used to dream of ability to use natural gas up here, the lines never made it further than the paper mills, and that within the last 6 years.

 

Propane works but pricey in tanks, been awhile since Camp.

Off Grid on dual lakes, not allowed to use hydro on dam, FERC/LURC and LePage for foul words. Used to cost $100 for tank fills, lasted year and a half.that lights, HW, stove and fridge. 🤣 Propane and oil also down East on ocean in Maine one log cabin - bought, ever chink 2000ft. Sq.

 

My build in woods was 1500 ft. Sq., off-Grid propane and wood.

Propane lights, fridge, hot water and gen sometimes.With 150W solar panel. Propane adds moisture to air honestly didn’t notice when I lived in city for comparison to Natural gas.

 

My present house is 1860 and 1900, well insulated and yes oil but toasty at -65* F/C the one year it got that cold was last year. Used to be at most -35-40* before ice caps started melting. And only for 2 weeks around January. By same token first 4 years were spent insulating and upgrading woodstove.

 

Old Fisher grandpa required 6 cords to heat. Lopi 2👍 Oil furnace used to take 1000 gallons per year, now 250 per year👍. Thank god!New furnace and hot water. I think I’ve got this heat thing figured out. Don’t enjoy cleaning lower temp furnace every year.

 

Last year sure was different, still had leaves on trees and 3 feet of snow, which lasted until April-May followed by floods. Not good. With it’s fellow 10 feet of snow.

 

MIT May sometimes leak out😇.As May UMA and NEU.

 

Began life in inner city, guess what I preferred and chose to move to.

 

Oil still has uses, as does diesel but, in long term can’t see it happening in reality for much longer. Trucks before T used to get 10-12 mpg on diesel loaded with freight.

 

Heck, my old 98 first gen Cummins 6-cyl was 26 mpg, never with more than 15K weight.

 

20-30 years maybe. Clean coal is a farce really UMA taught me that. Incapable of breathing after treatment, or even walking down a Street where it was burning.

 

Solar would work up here in some locations, even passive.

First apt. Here was heated by daylight with plastic wrapped porch. Landlord practically tossed after discovering what I was doing and saving $$. City feller taught new tricks to old country.

 

We do have wind turbines in use on relatively close hills. Tax breaks for clean energy is a good thing, and honestly haven’t seen an increase in bird strikes. 

 

Solar passive still works on my mud room porch until 0* lower than that nothing will work. Except wood heat really.

 

I’m approaching 70, broke my back in ‘70’s, semi hit to limo, 3 years PT and braces and med’s. First 40 years no issue. Now feel every drop of rain, snow or cold coming.

 

Unlike T my back kept me 4G/H. 

My cuzzin MOH postumous kept me from joining. Equivalence to Sullivan’s of WW2. 

 

I’ll cut you slack, I stand corrected, didn’t mean to start flame wars.

 

But, occasionally remember where we’d all be without a little socialism or just being neighborly.

 

Moved my builds to TX around Midland. I dream of retirement.Before T’s New request for 70+.

 

Everynight required to walk , at -65* AARP would bleep me for language used, at this stage in my life.

 

At least the house now stays warm for week long power outages and car battery to 12V blowers.

 

The best news of all plumbing remains usable all year long. 

 

Froze

I might be sick enough to still like this, or see me next year if I bug out for warmer climes.

 

 

And yes, after long days/nights, I'd still like to swing these hunks of glass , plastic and silicon against the nearest wall Come on retirement!
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Concerning Republican v Democratic views on making America Great:

 

Jimmy Carter's numerous conservation incentives for better insulation and more efficient heating and cooling has reduced energy consumption more than all the oil coming from the North Slope of Alaska, and the first thing that numbnut Reagan did was REMOVE the solar panels from the roof of the White House and cancel the incentives for individuals to make their homes more energy efficient.

 

It's not JUST the curent infantile twit, its the REPUBLICAN PARTY! They've been calling Social Security and Medicare SOCIALIST ever since they stopped calling them COMMUNIST about 1970.

 

Their tax cuts for the richest have  reduced services and made our infrastructure something Nicarauga would be embarrassed about while it redistributed ALL the increases in income from the middle class who created the profits into the pockets of the 10% who get to divide the profits, mostly into the pockets of the 1% who now control 90% of our total wealth.

 

For the 40 years BEFORE those taxscams, the workers of America received back 96 cents of every dollar they increased their productivity. Since about 1970, that percent has dwindled into oblivion with productivity (thats the value of each workers inpout to the system) growing by 180% but real wages going up 7% in 30 years, and 0% for the last 11 years.

 

No rich person lost a single luxuary when they paid 60% for federal income tax under Ike or 40% under LBJ. While the rich got richer, the middle got richer faster, and the gap between rich and poor SHRANK EACH YEAR.

 

Republicans will never let that happen again because it destroys their mythology that the 10% get all the increases because they somehow produce 90% of all the goodies. The actual experience of 40 years Before Reagan proves that is horsefeathers because the 90% got back virtually all their increased "input" (productivity) in their paychecks and the economy grew at TWICE the current rate AND we had Revenue Sharing that made college affordable to everyone and our infrastructure  (including our local schools) the envy of the World.

 

Get rid of the elected GOPers, repeal the Reagan Taxscam and truly MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, not by invading more countries and makaing more billionaires like GOPers want but by once again making the average American the richest middle class EVER.

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@Frozenoem 

Most interesting posts on your living environment and uses of energy and fuel sources. There certainly are efficient and inefficient uses of wood and oil...

not sure about claims of trump’s clean, clean coal!

I do understand moving about and working in -20 to -45 degree weather, from past experience. However, I have not been in -65, of which things really don’t want to function in that environment, do they!

But your mention of LED lighting is notable. Having worked some with it, there is no comparison for energy savings, longetivity or it’s use in extreme cold weather situations versus fluorescent or incandescent. There is even a safety factor in it’s use. 

As usual, trump has no clue about what he is talking about, he just lies, makes stuff up, and babbles!

Thanks again. 

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Sorry to disappoint but, I’m a radical environmentalist on some subjects.



Had days in trees hammocks, years back. Never been a spiker, loggers in family. And have worked the other side, Ranger.



Have also fought against clear cuts, visible from roads. But, also have cleared 5 acres to put up log cabin, in woods.



The disappointing part might be that my woodstove, Lopi Liberty double scrubs the air before going up the pipe 40’feet. My oil furnace does the same.



Yes, I’ve read the studies before Trump, and presently amazing what $6000 and $12,000 buys. Catalytic chimneys And double/triple burners of exhaust gases.



Only smoke visible is oil furnace for 2 minutes, and wood stove for 1 minute it’s called draft.



Amazing that draft thing, reduced pollutants in the air. Took 20 years for neighbors to notice I heat with wood and oil.



Amazing what people might do in power outage for 1-2 weeks, courtesy of ice, snow and high winds



Ayuh! 60 cords of hardwoods and replanting to replace what was cut. But, I live surrounded by woods, and 250 gallons of oil now lasts until September of following year. Same with firewood, 2 cords for a year vs. 6 cords in olden days, 4 years.



Foam blown in Insulation beats all heck out of tar paper and vermiculite, in an 1860 vintage house.



Like 😇 running water in winter, beats all heck out of plunging because your toilet is frozen straight through to septic down 6 feet.



Also a lot easier than using a hydraulic water jet to break up the frozen bits. Rental and 3 days of hot water, at -20* F.



Course that was in 2001, when my service was required elsewhere. So, are you still a dyed in the wool T supporter, or are you coming to the realization that he might be an expletive/bleep/etc.



Bring on the socialism, I’m old, one year under T and my last Ana-kit under ACA and Tricare and Medicare costs $3 bucks vs $300.



I left a hint up there for you to ponder over, civilian employee for world-wide groups who dress in khaki or blue.



Do most Americans believe that taking funds from Retiring Military or Active In/Out Conus for improvements to housing, bases, schools is brilliant to build a wall, that still hasn’t been built other than in demo stage.



The above is a question to anyone that still supports T - the chosen one.🤣🤬 Or the dim witted conman who may very well destroy all allies built-up over the years.



If I’m confusing people, also let me know. My neighbor just changed his Registration to D, same as my last cousin who voted for the twit.



She realized that she didn’t get her mega-tax refund.



Froze

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You are over the board and I hear you.

My point and still is on this board anyone that uses oil is a "bad guy".

FYI If it matters..

We burned wood until we mover to "the city" ...we also had a heat pump. We had a business that burned 8,000 gal of fuel oil....did away with that and switched to a heat pump for heat and cooling our building.

Had a tree farm..240 acres...cut firewood, had it logged once..select logging.

Service..life member of the VFW.

We today use natural gas for our heat....not sure if we can do away with that as solar does not work that well because of our cloud cover and wood heat is band at time in our city.







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@MsStretch 

 

I think warm white LED’s might work to improve his complexion, if not illuminated under Kleeg light and melting in the after glow  of 1000watts, on his orange hued pancake makeup.

 

I like my 8 watt LED’s , equivalent to using 75 watt output. Bought a 6-pack in 2012, even the ones in garage still light up just as brightly, even down to -65* F/C like last winter. Don’t think I’ll be buying any for awhile, my electric company gave me 6 more, for cutting back on my hydro-electric consumption🤣👍.

 

My fluorescents, with constant on nope, 2-years Of tickling the filaments and never really pull the power or you’ll be sorry.

 

Really need to do an unscientific study some year, on outside lights fluorescent vs LED when cold enough to freeze a well diggers blank.

 

Froze

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@MaVolta wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Hilariously, donnie blames the color of his fake tan on the use of LED lights, they impart a yellow hue.    Apparently donnie doesn't seem to know squat about how to pick light bulbs either or that one of the many reasons everyone hated incandescent light was the yellow hue.   


But ... but ... but ... he doesn't know that he looks just as orange standing out in the sunlight? Smiley LOL  


Donnie's actual words: "What's with the lightbulb? The bulb that we're being forced to use, number one, to me, most importantly, I always look orange."  If he was trying to be a comedian, he never has been able to pull that off.  More like a deranged clown spewing spit. 

 

Donnie the clown also said that the new energy-efficient bulb is "many times more expensive than that old, incandescent bulb that worked very well".  Yeah, but I don't have to change the bulbs every couple of weeks like that "old, incandescent bulb".  Light bulbs used to be on the shopping list all the time; now they never are.  So between the "small cost" added to the electricity bill and the cost of buying 5+ times as many bulbs a year, which is cheaper?

 

As far as that orange pallor, Donnie, maybe a new make-up person?    Perhaps Melania can give you a few hints on what foundation to use.  I don't think whether you're using warm white or bright white bulbs can help you with that.

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@KidBoy2 

 

Sorry to disappoint but, I’m a radical environmentalist on some subjects.

 

Had days in trees hammocks, years back. Never been a spiker, loggers in family. And have worked the other side, Ranger.

 

Have also fought against clear cuts, visible from roads. But, also have cleared 5 acres to put up log cabin, in woods.

 

The disappointing part might be that my woodstove, Lopi Liberty double scrubs the air before going up the pipe 40’feet. My oil furnace does the same.

 

Yes, I’ve read the studies before Trump, and presently amazing what $6000 and $12,000 buys. Catalytic chimneys And double/triple burners of exhaust gases.

 

Only smoke visible is oil furnace for 2 minutes, and wood stove for 1 minute it’s called draft.

 

Amazing that draft thing, reduced pollutants in the air. Took 20 years for neighbors to notice I heat with wood and oil.

 

Amazing what people might do in power outage for 1-2 weeks, courtesy of ice, snow and high winds

 

Ayuh! 60 cords of hardwoods and replanting to replace what was cut. But, I live surrounded by woods, and 250 gallons of oil now lasts until September of following year. Same with firewood, 2 cords for a year vs. 6 cords in olden days, 4 years.

 

Foam blown in Insulation beats all heck out of tar paper and vermiculite, in an 1860 vintage house.

 

Like 😇 running water in winter, beats all heck out of plunging because your toilet is frozen straight through to septic down 6 feet.

 

Also a lot easier than using a hydraulic water jet to break up the frozen bits. Rental and 3 days of hot water, at -20*  F.

 

Course that was in 2001, when my service was required elsewhere. So, are you still a dyed in the wool T supporter, or are you coming to the realization that he might be an expletive/bleep/etc.

 

Bring on the socialism, I’m old, one year under T and my last Ana-kit under ACA and Tricare and Medicare costs $3 bucks vs $300. 

 

I left a hint up there for you to ponder over, civilian employee for world-wide groups who dress in khaki or blue.

 

Do most Americans believe that taking funds from Retiring Military or Active In/Out Conus for improvements to housing, bases, schools is brilliant to build a wall, that still hasn’t been built other than in demo stage. 

 

The above  is a question to anyone that still supports T - the chosen one.🤣🤬 Or the dim witted conman who may very well destroy all allies built-up over the years.

 

If I’m confusing people, also let me know. My neighbor just changed his Registration to D, same as my last cousin who voted for the twit.

 

She realized that she didn’t get her mega-tax refund.

 

Froze

And yes, after long days/nights, I'd still like to swing these hunks of glass , plastic and silicon against the nearest wall Come on retirement!
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@MaVolta wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   Hilariously, donnie blames the color of his fake tan on the use of LED lights, they impart a yellow hue.    Apparently donnie doesn't seem to know squat about how to pick light bulbs either or that one of the many reasons everyone hated incandescent light was the yellow hue.   


But ... but ... but ... he doesn't know that he looks just as orange standing out in the sunlight? Smiley LOL  


Remember this is the infantile moron who claimed it was the microphone that caused his weezing and faulty camera angles that shrank the crowds at all his events. Funny thing how those LED lights don't shine on his eyelids, or how they totally missed a huge patch of his scalp on at least one occasion. At least when Reagan's hair turned orange he had the wit to blame his new shampoo, and when he switched back to his old brand, the orange went away (along with at least one make-up aide)

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