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Abortion

Many of my Christian conservative friends seem to vote primarily on a candidate's stand on this issue, as if a single representative or even President can snap their fingers and make a change in abortion law.   In a recent conversation, one said that there are a large number of abortion-related deaths ( of women) even with legal abortions, which might tend to downplay the risks of overturning Roe v Wade and returning to the era of illegal abortions.

 

I'm wondering what the truth is here.  I hate the idea of abortion and think everything possible should be done to avoid it, including the willingness to have more taxes placed on me to subsidize adoption and things like child-care for women contemplating an abortion.   But I'm really wondering what would things be like if Roe v Wade were overturned.  Surely abortions would continue, just illegally, and we've all heard the horror stories of "back-alley" abortions.

 

 

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How many anti-abortion fans have adopted an unwanted child  Please stand up

If not shut up

If you are against abortions, don't have one.  

I am anti-guns ... I don't have one. 

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@ mimi
My family has taken in pregnant young ladies and given them a place to reach term and deliver their baby. Babies who were born were given up for adoption. We did not adopt any of them.

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@ mimi
My family has taken in pregnant young ladies and given them a place to reach term and deliver their baby. Babies who were born were given up for adoption. We did not adopt any of them.

You still apparently are unable to understand. 
It is commendable that your family is doing what they are doing. and It is commendable that the young ladies in question have CHOSEN  to deal with their pregnancies in the manner that you and them believe.
But, that is not, what we are discussing here is it? 
The responses that I have seen here is why, I have always objected as to men chiming in in this discussion.
They completely and totally disregard the women's  opinions, and rationalization of this issue.
As we have seen, most of the posts are from men, how many women have chimed in on this topic? How in this world can anyone here and post on this issue when in reality it doesn't affect them directly?
Let's have this discussion with the women that want to have this discussion and see what are their point of view. 
Yes. please go and discuss Trump and NK and the atom bomb and leave this issue to the women and their decissions.

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My response was directed at mimi to a question she posed.

So... because I'm not a woman I should shut up? Is that what you're saying? are you the posting censor? You understand this is an open forum.... right?

That's absurd and wrong in so many ways.



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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
My response was directed at mimi to a question she posed.

So... because I'm not a woman I should shut up? Is that what you're saying? are you the posting censor? You understand this is an open forum.... right?

That's absurd and wrong in so many ways.



In response to both your quesitons, YES.  actually to all your questions, and will continue to express my views, to any post that I see fit.
So, if you want to continue to post on this issue, you will have to also deal with my posts.
Actually, because you are new, you don't have experience of dealing with my posts. so far, I have been extremely nice in my  responses. so I guess that perhaps is time to show my true self. LOL

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@ rker321

I forgive you. Bless your heart.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
@ rker321

I forgive you. Bless your heart.

Oh dear, I wasn't aware that we had a preacher in this message board. but yes, God has blessed me a lot in my life. thank you.

But, you don't need to bless me. I am a Catholic, and there are enough priests that already bless me.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
@ rker321

I forgive you. Bless your heart.

HEY!!!  I was right!!!

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
@ mimi
My family has taken in pregnant young ladies and given them a place to reach term and deliver their baby. Babies who were born were given up for adoption. We did not adopt any of them.

That's great, but what about all those girls you didn't have the chance to help, who wound up on the street because Fundie parents threw them out, worthless spermdonor boyfriends found they had other things to do, Republicans made sure the girl couldn't get birth control BEFORE OR AFTER she got pregnant, had to carry the fetus to term, and nobody wanted to adopt it, or she found somebody with a coathanger and bottle of clorox, and both mother and fetus are now dead?

 

Republicans won't authorize a dime to encourage more people to do as you've done, or to help the mother keep her job or get a new one after the baby arrives or provide day care so mother can work and not spend her paycheck on daycare - in short, Republicans do not give a tinkers dam for the CHILD - they just rub their hands with glee at the prospect they've punished another woman for having sex.

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@Olderscout66

 

If you want to "talk' about abortion then I'm all in, but I don't believe you can. You are an accuser. Why would you ask me "what about all those girls I didn't help" ... are you freakin' kidding me? Really? That's something from a dark place. 

 

First off, I can't fix the world and I'm not gonna try. People screw up all the time and sometimes suffer the consequences ... and sometimes they're horrible. 

 

 I believe, like Jesus ... that a few good ordinary people (12) can change the world, but not over night. I am openly against abortion. I do not judge the mother or the father. I know that a simple thing like a zipper might stem the tide of abortion, but Is that gonna happen? I lack the faith to belive it will. 

 

Each of us was written into the book of life before we are born or unborn.


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@Fishslayer777 wrote:

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If you want to "talk' about abortion then I'm all in, but I don't believe you can. You are an accuser. Why would you ask me "what about all those girls I didn't help" ... are you freakin' kidding me? Really? That's something from a dark place. 

 

First off, I can't fix the world and I'm not gonna try. People screw up all the time and sometimes suffer the consequences ... and sometimes they're horrible. 

 

 I believe, like Jesus ... that a few good ordinary people (12) can change the world, but not over night. I am openly against abortion. I do not judge the mother or the father. I know that a simple thing like a zipper might stem the tide of abortion, but Is that gonna happen? I lack the faith to belive it will. 

 

Each of us was written into the book of life before we are born or unborn.


The born, the unborn, and the collection of cells which have not yet become a fetus. 

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If you understand that energy (natural) can neither be created or destroyed but only transformed, then existence is also eternal.

consider that

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fishslayer , I stand corrected , but about Trump's Moral Compass ? What say you as a christian ?

IMHO , far too many of our right wing poster's are to Trump , what Trump is to Putin !!!

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Let me overlay that question with an observation of greater importance.

Jesus's bloodline was from murderers , thieves, prostitutes and a whole lota sinners. If perfection can come from such imperfection, is it then possible that anyone, can be used by everyone, for everything?

So Jesus then goes forth looking for a few good men and who does he pick? If you believe that a bunch of stinky old fisherman, a murderer of Christians, a tax collector, sword wielding hot heads would be the stock and trade of the 12 disciples.... so is it possible for such men to change the world for good? Of course it is!

So with that in mind.... in context of Christianity to answer your "cornering " question of me, this is what I know and believe.... The Lord can take what man will cast away and condemn and build greatness upon it. Do I believe our president has a divine blessing?
Romans 13... read it, but for the sake of those who don't here's what's important to know. "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Trump is morally deficient as a man but is under the Lord's direction. Will Trump choose to follow a righteous path via divine guidance? and take moral direction? yes and no. He's a man and will fail in many ways just like you and me.

It was no different for Obama.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
 Do I believe our president has a divine blessing?
Romans 13... read it, but for the sake of those who don't here's what's important to know. "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
So by that, should it be concluded that all the colonists who revolted against the British Crown have been judged and are most likely all burning in hell for all eternity for having rebelled against an authority placed there by the deity?  No thundering voice from the heavens was ever heard  - or "Mene Mene" finger writing on any wall was ever seen declaring the British Crown wrong and not placed there by the deity - was there?   If that's the case I will end up sizzling for eternity along with the founding fathers and my ancestors who fought soldiers of the British Crown - a choice I will have to "live" with, huh?

Trump is morally deficient as a man but is under the Lord's direction. Will Trump choose to follow a righteous path via divine guidance? and take moral direction? yes and no. He's a man and will fail in many ways just like you and me.

It certainly appears that - like a intractable disobedient child - trump is deliberately and defiantly doing the exact opposite of what divine guidance would direct him to do - one might conclude that Satan is currently quite delighted with trump's speech and actions...
Trump unquestionably has managed an extremely advanced and expert level of moral and ethical failure thus far - and unless a miracle occurs, he will continue to behave as he has for the last seventy years...

 

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Do I believe our president has a divine blessing?
Romans 13... read it, but for the sake of those who don't here's what's important to know. "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.Trump is morally deficient as a man but is under the Lord's direction. Will Trump choose to follow a righteous path via divine guidance? and take moral direction? yes and no. He's a man and will fail in many ways just like you and me.

 

Oh well. now we have preaching in this message board. and God,  I guess is directing Trump. How lucky we can all get.
Well this discussion is about abortion and the women's right to choose whether she should have a termination or not.
Frankly this thread has run its course, and has been debated by all and all have expressed their opinions and I guess tha mayority of men think that it is the choice of the female, and most females think that they have a right to choose what their future will be.

No one will convince anyone of anything especially when they bring religion into the subjec. I guess they need the weight and credibility of a religion to make their views more credible.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
@ mimi
My family has taken in pregnant young ladies and given them a place to reach term and deliver their baby. Babies who were born were given up for adoption. We did not adopt any of them.

Good for you, Fish.  Must be the registered Democrat in ya!  Smiley Wink


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Nutin' to do with politics.... absolutley zero.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Nutin' to do with politics.... absolutley zero.

If that were true, it would not have become a touchstone of Republlican policy and RedStates would not be doing everything in their power to deprive poor women of reproductive health services. But it is, and they are.

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Hey fishslayer , Can I get a comment on your President Trump's " Moral Compass " please ???

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@mandm84

 

You know you've misquoted me... taken out of context. Here's what i said about Pocahantus (Elisabeth Warren) It was never about Jimmy Carter who I believe has a moral compass which always points towards heaven. 

 

She is cut in the mold of Eugene McCarthy and Jimmy Carter without a moral compass. Her contrived anger and ugly hate is definitely not of the righteous variety... it is the Hillary Clinton variety = self serving. She has made a living out of fake moral indignation. She's lucky she's not from Salem.

She's the worst kind of liberal = fake one.

 


@mandm84 wrote:

Hey fishslayer , Can I get a comment on your President Trump's " Moral Compass " please ???





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@Fishslayer777 wrote:

@mandm84

 

You know you've misquoted me... taken out of context. Here's what i said about Pocahantus (Elisabeth Warren) It was never about Jimmy Carter who I believe has a moral compass which always points towards heaven. 

 

She is cut in the mold of Eugene McCarthy and Jimmy Carter without a moral compass. Her contrived anger and ugly hate is definitely not of the righteous variety... it is the Hillary Clinton variety = self serving. She has made a living out of fake moral indignation. She's lucky she's not from Salem.

She's the worst kind of liberal = fake one.

 


@mandm84 wrote:

Hey fishslayer , Can I get a comment on your President Trump's " Moral Compass " please ???





So you're not going to be objective about trump - given that trump has claimed to be a Christian?

 

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@mandm84 wrote:

Hey fishslayer , Can I get a comment on your President Trump's " Moral Compass " please ???


Me too.

I bet there's more than just two of us...

We want to see an objective comparison between Carter's Moral Compass and Trump's Moral Compass.

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Do it in the context of the thread where I said it... or cut and paste.

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@mimi0000 wrote:

How many anti-abortion fans have adopted an unwanted child  Please stand up

If not shut up

If you are against abortions, don't have one.  

I am anti-guns ... I don't have one. 


Based on the anti abortion fans I have met, I thing it is good that they don't adopt. Probably better if they don't reproduce at all.  Very creepy people. 

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How many anti-abortion fans have adopted an unwanted child  Please stand up

If not shut up

If you are against abortions, don't have one.  

I am anti-guns ... I don't have one. 


I'm pro-choice and I've adopted some unwanted children - because that's what a decent human being does.

 

Back in the sixties, when my girlfriend found out the pill didn't keep her from becoming pregnant, she had an abortion - her body, her life, her choice, I paid - because that's what a decent human being does.  

 

Yep - I've been on both sides of that issue - have you?

 

If it's not your life and not a pregnancy that you have had a part in starting - it's never been any of your business - go somewhere else - or better yet - tell us why you were so selfish that you wouldn't adopt any unwanted children...

 

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I suppose the definition of "last resort" should be addressed.  I would think the anti-abortion crowd would see carrying the embryo to term and having a child to be the  logical step.  If you are pregnant, you either have the embryo removed before it can become a fetus or don't.  I don't understand which is the "last resort". 

 

Unfortunately, that is a huge set of consequences beyond those associated with a surgical (or pill now) which is the medical equivalent of having a benign mole removed. 

 

 

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It's been a good discussion with a lot of give and take.  Sometimes this forum results in posts which don't even address the original post ( personal agenda, axe to grind, etc ) but that's pretty common.

 

I think the word compromise should be used more.  Unless you live under a King or dictator, nobody gets everything they want.  I believe the founders of the United States intended for it to be difficult to make changes and created the 3 branches of government to "check" eachother.   Quite often they negotiated and compromised, realizing that nobody gets 100% of what they want, but still achieving some results for the common good.

 

Unfortunately we're now seeing a lot of "my way or the highway," and " if you don't agree with me 100% you're the enemy or of the devil."

 

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@Indianrock wrote:

It's been a good discussion with a lot of give and take.  Sometimes this forum results in posts which don't even address the original post ( personal agenda, axe to grind, etc ) but that's pretty common.

 

I think the word compromise should be used more.  Unless you live under a King or dictator, nobody gets everything they want.  I believe the founders of the United States intended for it to be difficult to make changes and created the 3 branches of government to "check" eachother.   Quite often they negotiated and compromised, realizing that nobody gets 100% of what they want, but still achieving some results for the common good.

 

Unfortunately we're now seeing a lot of "my way or the highway," and " if you don't agree with me 100% you're the enemy or of the devil."

 


Ihave agreed abortion is a last resort. one way to cut down on abortions is free birth control.

 

as for me, i was adopted in 1956..my birth mother didnt want a kid fr whatever reason. SO my point of view is coming from a place of " I could have wound up on the end of a coat hanger". and yes i have discussed that long and deep with other adoptees..and all of us support legal abortion..because that would have been better for us than the coat hangar.

So it begins.
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