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@Controlled42010 wrote:

2011 stats but....

 

https://inequality.stanford.edu/publications/20-facts-about-us-inequality-everyone-should-know

 

https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/

 

 

 

According to some of the facts....It appears not, no?  US needs more lessons, no?


Good points, Controlled.  And to that excellent point:

 

On a winter day 14 years ago, the Boston Symphony Orchestra announced that it had finally found a new principal flutist. The search had not been easy. Two hundred fifty-one players had applied, 59 were called to Symphony Hall to audition, and when it was over, only one remained.

 

Elizabeth Rowe, just 29, had landed in one of the country’s “big five” orchestras. And as a principal, she occupied a special seat, the classical musical equivalent of cracking the Yankees’ starting rotation.

 

“If I could have a dream job, this was it,” Rowe says.

 

To win the slot, Rowe had taken part in the BSO’s blind auditions, playing her flute onstage behind a brown, 33-foot polyester screen. That way, the orchestra’s 12-member selection committee couldn’t see her and it wouldn’t matter whether she were a man or a woman, black or white. But after Rowe had the job, something important changed. That’s when she believes being a woman hurt her in one key way.

 

In July, Rowe, 44, filed a gender discrimination lawsuit against the BSO seeking $200,000 in back pay. Her lawsuit came after years of appealing privately to management about the roughly $70,000 less a year she is paid than John Ferrillo, 63, the orchestra’s principal oboist. Rowe contends that she should make an equal salary and that her gender is the reason she doesn’t.

 

The BSO, in a statement, defended its pay structure, saying that the flute and oboe are not comparable, in part because the oboe is more difficult to play and there is a larger pool of flutists. Gender, the statement says, “is not one of the factors in the compensation process at the Boston Symphony Orchestra.”

 

This week, Rowe will enter mediation with the BSO aimed at resolving the conflict before it goes to court.

 

Speaking publicly for the first time about the lawsuit, Rowe says her case has far-reaching implications. Her lawsuit will be the first against an orchestra to test Massachusetts’s new equal-pay law, its outcome potentially affecting women across the U.S. workforce who are paid less than their male colleagues.

 

“Money is the one thing that we can look to to measure people’s value in an organization,” Rowe says. “You look at the number of women that graduate from conservatories and then you look at the number of women in the top leadership positions in orchestras, and it’s not 50-50 still. Women need to see equality, and they need to see fairness in order to believe that that’s possible.”

 

 
 

Ferrillo doesn’t just sit next to Rowe in the woodwind section. They’re musically joined at the hip, whether dancing across Debussy or the second movement of Beethoven’s Sixth. They’re also friends and mutual admirers.

 

They both know what it takes to earn a prominent spot in such a competitive field. Both attended music school, paid their own way to travel to auditions while in their 20s and dealt with rejection. It took Ferrillo 10 years and 22 tries to earn his first symphony position, as second oboe in the San Francisco Symphony in 1985.

 

But by the time the BSO approached Ferrillo to fill its oboe vacancy, he was a prized member of the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra. In 2001, to lure him away, the BSO paid him twice what the orchestra’s rank-and-file make. The BSO and Ferrillo have a nondisclosure agreement in place, which prohibits disclosure of his salary. But the figure, now $314,600, became public as part of the BSO’s tax filing. (Nonprofit organizations are required to list the top five compensated employees earning more than $100,000.)

 

Symphony Hall, the home of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. (Marco Borggreve/Boston Symphony Orchestra)

 

Coming into the BSO in 2004, Rowe had done her homework. She asked to be paid the same salary Ferrillo had negotiated. The orchestra turned her down. Rowe says management also would not make her “overscale” — the term for what all principals routinely receive over their base pay — a percentage of her base, which would allow her to avoid asking for a raise every year. Instead, the BSO offered her $750 a week over base the first year, $950 the second and $1,100 once she earned tenure.

 

Rowe accepted the offer but did not forget. Over the next 14 years, she says, she regularly asked to be paid the same as her male colleague.

 

"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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The amazing part of this whole dysfunction is, in my opinion, we are out there in different parts of the world telling, by our actions, that we will not tolerate certain humanitarian violations, as WE are telling some trying to enter our country because of this very reason....No, you must leave because WE don't have our acts together enough to handle the process?????

 

Wake up....the whole refugee/immigration problems in the Middle East/ Europe might be a direct result from the wars we place on people of difference....How many millions have been displaced in that whole region because of a war that was dictated in the whole stigma of false terrorism????

 

We do not like the way South America lives so instead of helping those who don't like it either, we throw them to the curb?????

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@rker321 wrote:

So  the walls are beginning to crumble.. and more Republicans will defetct and will try to end  the shutdown. 
Like I have said, when needs are not met. people react the same  no matter where they are and what country they belong.


And the Dems will allow all the suffering rather than cooperate on border security.

 

Another false narrative from the usual source....."Border Security" YES, as the Dems have supported it every year....year in and year out.

 

Border wall...no!  Just a little nuance that rabid trump and Limblah fans just never get right.


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And the Dems will allow all the suffering rather than cooperate on border security.

 

Wrong  answer, remember? I said the Cubans and anyone that is a human being will react in the same manner. but you also seem to forge that Trump  stated that he was proud to own the shutdown. sorry, you can't have it both ways.


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2011 stats but....

 

https://inequality.stanford.edu/publications/20-facts-about-us-inequality-everyone-should-know

 

https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/

 

 

 

According to some of the facts....It appears not, no?  US needs more lessons, no?

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So  the walls are beginning to crumble.. and more Republicans will defetct and will try to end  the shutdown. 
Like I have said, when needs are not met. people react the same  no matter where they are and what country they belong.


And the Dems will allow all the suffering rather than cooperate on border security.

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So  the walls are beginning to crumble.. and more Republicans will defetct and will try to end  the shutdown. 
Like I have said, when needs are not met. people react the same  no matter where they are and what country they belong.

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Are  we suffering enough .....yet? 
This is getting pretty interesting.  now, things are getting really hot for Trump and the more that he digs in into his wall the more harm that he will do to many Americans.

Keep it up Trump harm some more.   and you will see what happens when the citizens don't have their needs covered.

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Bottom line negative Americas : Support the President , or sit down and shutup .


Your last statement completely provides all of us with your views of what you think that a Democratic system should be.

So. if you don't happen to agree with a President, any president the only recourse is to  sit down and shut up?

Well that is what happens in China, Russia, Philistines, Turkey, Saudi Arabia. Syria  and in any dictatorship or automatic country.

You will have to excuse me, but I really thought that we had a Democracy and a Republic in which freedom of expression was mentioned in the constitution.

But I guess that you sincerely believe that the individuals that don't agree should be what.? incarcerated? shot? or what?

Perhaps, you really have the wrong idea of what a Republic or a Democracy is all about. and as an American that is quite surprising, due to the fact that so many have died for those rights in WWII, Korea, Viet Nam.

Perhaps they died in vain. they should have sat down and shut up.

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You better believe it. I've never been that interested in Politics until now. It might have something to do with living in a Sanctuary City surrounded by Criminals that the Law Enforcement ignores.

I believe they have either been hypnotized or paid off. 

Then there is this thing with the border. If the News Media would stop calling it a "Caravan of Immigrants" the American public might snap out of their own hypnosis and see it for what it really is.

Maybe "Mass Envasion of Terrorists" is too much of a  scare for them so they choose to call it something less scarry. But that is what needs be done. By changeing the title there would be no question about right of entry, Amnisty, or Sanctuary, and who ever heard of a terrorists right to Sue the American Government. Thank God Mr. Trump had the forsight to see it coming.  America needs to stop fighting the President and start fighting for our freedom by being a little more cooperative. I don't see how he can even think, with all the distraction being thrown at him.  ANYONE THAT IS OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, (and that is exactly what iit is) should be arrested .

Bottom line negative Americas : Support the President , or sit down and shutup .

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