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Andrea Pitzer, who literally wrote the book on the global history of concentration camps, defended the freshman lawmaker against Republican backlash

 

What the U.S. is doing at the U.S.-Mexico border today by detaining hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and children “fits very cleanly” inside the historical definition of concentration camps, Pitzer argued.

 

Such barbaric facilities existed decades before the creation of Auschwitz and other Nazi Germany political prisons, where millions of Jewish people were murdered in the Holocaust during World War II, she noted.

 

Though the term “concentration camp” today often elicits images of Holocaust death camps, it’s also been used historically to refer to the mass detention of people, often political prisoners or members of a persecuted minority group, without trial. 

 

“The death camps ― which were on top of the existing concentration camps system, including Auschwitz and a series of other camps in which you had gas chambers, mass killings ― that is a singular moment in history,” Pitzer said Tuesday. “And for the people that want to respect that, I think that’s fine and that’s important.”

 

She continued: “If we want to call it ‘irregular detention,’ if we want to call it ‘extrajudicial detention,’ I don’t think we have to get stuck on that term. I wrote a history of the term ... and what I would really like people to know is that the same thing is happening here now.”

 

Source - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camps-expert_n_5d0a3ec5e4b0e56...

 

 

 

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She never said Nazi. You said that. Don’t blame her for something you guys made up.

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In 1942, Fort Sill held approximately 700 Japanese Americans interned by the Department of Justice.
One of the internees, Kanesaburo Oshima, was killed by a guard when he suffered a mental break and attempted to escape on May 12.


News of migrant children housed at Fort Sill spurs protest plans.

 

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@rker321 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

 

 


Once Again 

 

Jews do not have some inalienable right or a copyright on Pain & Suffering - did they suffer unimaginable horror - yes ..... but that doesn't preclude others from being recognized as suffering & mistreatment   Yes they do. as a race, a nation a group of people there are no others that  have suffered the horrors that they suffered at the hands of the Nazis. so yes, they deserve the title of  "The people that have suffered most as the hands of others"

 

 

As most of us on the Forum are well aware - it's already  illegal to ask why Billions of US Tax Payers Dollars are sent to Israel every year - it's illegal to point out that the Conventional Meme offered about Israel being out Greatest ally in the Middle East is a Bogus claim because No Israeli Soldier has ever fought & died side by side with US Soldiers anywhere in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world 

Listen Darling!!!! I have  been very critical about Netanyahu and the money that we send to Israel because I also believe that they have as much as we do. but, first of all, who said it was illegal? I have not heard anyone that has been put i jail to say anything about Israel good of bad.m  The idiot in the White House, and Netanyahu presently are the ones that want an war with Iran. and I am thinking that hopefully the Israelis are intelligent so they don't put Netanyahu in charge. and endite him like they should.

 

So this claim of exclusivity with respect to the term Concentrate Camps is just as Bogus 

LOL  LOL LOL I gues  you have never seen a Hollywood movie or read a book    have Jewish friends that can tell you what thosse camps were all about.

 

 


 


Yeah No Doubt You Have Jewish Friends Who Can Tell You All About Their Own History

 

Trump & Trump Jr Are Some Great Story Tellers Too

 

Just this week - they both told the American People Donald Trump Has Suffered More than American Slaves and American Indians 

 

How Much Do You Know About American History

 

There Were 10 Million American Indians Living On What is now the USA - Less than 1/2 that number showed up on the 2010 US Census- Does that make any Mathematical Sense to you - the Pilgrims came on Ships - the Ships carried around 100 Passengers each and yet Americans of European Decent today number in the Hundreds of Millions - less than 5 Million Indians live here & few if any left for another Country - they were Slaughtered Tortured and Minimized

 

How Much do your Jewish Friends Know About their Demise - displaced by a lot of your Jewish Friends BTW

 

Do your Jewish Friends Tell you all about the 5 Million Soviets Bulgarians Croations Serbians Slovenians - the Homosexuals the Handicapped/Disabled who were also Slaughtered within the Holocaust Period  - Probably Not - because to most the Holocaust is strictly a Jewish Tragedy - it wasn't - thats just the most Popular Story Told About the Holocaust

 

Do your Jewish Friends tell you about the 3 Million Poles Eradicated by the Nazi's - 20% of the Population of Poland - 15% of the Population of the Soviet Union died in World War II

 

Ever hear of Holodomor - Google it - it's represents the Genocide of 7.5 Million Ukrainians at the Hands of the Soviets

 

So Yeah the Jewish People have done the Best Job of keeping their Story Relevant and Representative of the Horror of attempted Genocides

 

But they are not the only ones who have suffered - I don't know how you put a Value on who or what Race Religious or Ethnic Group has suffered the most over the History of the World

 

Is it numbers - percentages - what about Entire Races of humans exterminated - gone for ever

 

All I know is this - No One Race - No One Ethnicity or Religion has the Right to Claim a Copyright on Torture or Genocide

 

Humans are far to Brutal a Species for that and I've only mentioned a few of the worst examples - there are many more.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Once Again 

 

Jews do not have some inalienable right or a copyright on Pain & Suffering - did they suffer unimaginable horror - yes ..... but that doesn't preclude others from being recognized as suffering & mistreatment   Yes they do. as a race, a nation a group of people there are no others that  have suffered the horrors that they suffered at the hands of the Nazis. so yes, they deserve the title of  "The people that have suffered most as the hands of others"

 

 

As most of us on the Forum are well aware - it's already  illegal to ask why Billions of US Tax Payers Dollars are sent to Israel every year - it's illegal to point out that the Conventional Meme offered about Israel being out Greatest ally in the Middle East is a Bogus claim because No Israeli Soldier has ever fought & died side by side with US Soldiers anywhere in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world 

Listen Darling!!!! I have  been very critical about Netanyahu and the money that we send to Israel because I also believe that they have as much as we do. but, first of all, who said it was illegal? I have not heard anyone that has been put i jail to say anything about Israel good of bad.m  The idiot in the White House, and Netanyahu presently are the ones that want an war with Iran. and I am thinking that hopefully the Israelis are intelligent so they don't put Netanyahu in charge. and endite him like they should.

 

So this claim of exclusivity with respect to the term Concentrate Camps is just as Bogus 

LOL  LOL LOL I gues  you have never seen a Hollywood movie or read a book    have Jewish friends that can tell you what thosse camps were all about.

 

 


 

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The Problem With Ocasio-Cortez’s Shameful Ignorance Of History

 

Most Nazi analogies are profoundly stupid, intellectually lazy, and diminish the suffering of millions.

 

In April 1944, two Slovakian Jews named Alfred Weczler and Rudolf Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, and provided one of the first eyewitness accounts of the horrors of the European concentration camps. Both men had been rounded up with a group of their countrymen and sent to the Birkenau section of the camp in the spring of 1941, where they were immediately put to work as slave labor.

 

This was before the German regime had properly streamlined and industrialized efforts to destroy European Jewry. In the early days of the camp, any man incapable of labor was immediately executed. Those who survived were sent to do the grueling work of construction.

 

The men began their work at sunrise, and except for a half-hour break at noon, when the prisoners were fed cabbage and turnip soup, they worked until 6 p.m. For dinner, the men were given an ounce of moldy bread made from “ersatz flour and sawdust.” Lice and fleas tortured their emaciated bodies as they slept on wooden boards. “Rats were so bold they gnawed at the toes and fingers of sleepers and stole the crumbs they had left in their pockets,” wrote Robert Conot in his book “Justice at Nuremberg.”

 

A third of the prisoners died every week. If a worker was hurt, he was allotted three days of recovery time. If they failed to heal, the infirmary—where Dr. Mengele had already begun his nefarious work on women and children—would inject a fatal dose of phenol directly into their hearts.

 

Of the 2,722 Slovakian Jews who had been rounded up with Weczler and Vrba, only 159 survived to the summer of 1942. Those who died had been dumped, with another approximately 105,000 bodies, into shallow trenches around Birkenau. “As they decomposed” Conot noted, “the earth rose like a yeasty mixture of dough and bubbled up nauseating gases, which spread for miles.”

 

I think of that last sentence whenever some modern-day know-nothing begins comparing the United States to a proto-Nazi state. Maybe it’s because their analogies are embarrassingly ignorant and intellectually lazy, or maybe it’s because people like Ocasio-Cortez, perhaps unknowingly, diminish the suffering of millions of dead. Or maybe it’s because my own grandfather was taken as slave labor in Austria.

 

Then again, maybe it’s because the comparison itself is a despicable smear of the American people. It’s true that we’re not prepared for the crush of refugees on the southern border (although it should be noted that many Democrats contend any border is immoral). While there is a border, however, we ask migrants who show up to follow existing laws; ones that are subject to the democratic process and the court system.

 

Sometimes we reacted ham-fistedly, even temporarily breaking up families who are transporting children without any oversight. Some migrants have been abused and some have died in our care. There is no excuse for it. Neither is sanctioned by the state.

 

If you believe any of this morally equivalent to carting away millions of people to crematoriums for execution because their faith, your moral compass is irreparably broken.

 

It should also be noted that the United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. There are 40 million people living in the United States who were born in another country—accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2017. We could build a giant steel fence around the entire country, and the United States would still reign as the most welcoming place for foreigners that has ever existed.

 

This doesn’t mean that people of good faith can never be critical of U.S. policy or contrast any policy with Nazi Germany. “Concentration camps” have a long history that predates the Holocaust, after all. But the contemporary usage is clear, notwithstanding Ocasio-Cortez’s unconvincing attempts to walk back her initial statements.  She, in fact, stresses, “I don’t use those words lightly. I don’t use those words to just throw bombs.”

 

This dumb Nazi equivalence certainly isn’t new. We see a spike whenever a Republican is elected—be it Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, or George Bush. Of course, with Donald Trump, they are in full bloom. We see it all across social media. We see it not only from random accounts but from celebrities, well-known pundits, and major newspapers peddling fourth-grade-level historical analysis. What they’re doing is cheapening their own arguments, on top of all else.

 

Ocasio-Cortez, whose historical obliviousness leads her to believe we’re living in an economic and racial dystopia, says she is speaking to those who “are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘Never Again’ means something and…that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free.” It’s indeed strange to hear a leftist who champions anti-Israel causes and anti-Semitic politicians using this phrase, since the Jewish state is the most successful and enduring manifestation of Never Again.

 

The appearance of “Never Again” also undermines her later contention that she wasn’t talking about the Nazi camps.

 

We’re forced to take someone seriously who believes vegetables are a tool of colonial oppression because Ocasio-Cortez is both a charismatic elected official with many impressionable fans, and a person bestowed with a huge media platform. Only last weekend, she appeared on “Meet the Press” praising socialism—the other scourge of the 20th century. Yet when we need our media to ask her to explain her profoundly childish and destructive statements, they are nowhere to be found.

 

BY:  David Harsanyi

 

 


Here we go again. This subject has been posted a few times already so why are you reposting it? Once again  you use a far right source  Federalist and far right writer David Harsanyi. Lets see what else this writer has given us. 1. Until the Supreme Court Acts, Christians Will Be punished for Thought Crimes. 2. John Dean Stars In Worse Than Watergate. All should go look at his nonsense and untruths for his other stories. The one posted has lived up to his usual standards. What she said was true as per local press who have been on the border and have told us that for months. To follow up these camps Trump says he will deport millions of people including families, quickly, but the people who have to carry out his orders say that can not happen. Our Dictator in action, just like Hitler in Germany during the 1930. Do not forget the ships loaded with people Hitler deported which came to the US, and the far right stopped from landing people here so they had to go on to South America. Trump and Hitler one in the same.

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@jimc91 wrote:

The Problem With Ocasio-Cortez’s Shameful Ignorance Of History

 

Most Nazi analogies are profoundly stupid, intellectually lazy, and diminish the suffering of millions.

 

In April 1944, two Slovakian Jews named Alfred Weczler and Rudolf Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, and provided one of the first eyewitness accounts of the horrors of the European concentration camps. Both men had been rounded up with a group of their countrymen and sent to the Birkenau section of the camp in the spring of 1941, where they were immediately put to work as slave labor.

 

This was before the German regime had properly streamlined and industrialized efforts to destroy European Jewry. In the early days of the camp, any man incapable of labor was immediately executed. Those who survived were sent to do the grueling work of construction.

 

The men began their work at sunrise, and except for a half-hour break at noon, when the prisoners were fed cabbage and turnip soup, they worked until 6 p.m. For dinner, the men were given an ounce of moldy bread made from “ersatz flour and sawdust.” Lice and fleas tortured their emaciated bodies as they slept on wooden boards. “Rats were so bold they gnawed at the toes and fingers of sleepers and stole the crumbs they had left in their pockets,” wrote Robert Conot in his book “Justice at Nuremberg.”

 

A third of the prisoners died every week. If a worker was hurt, he was allotted three days of recovery time. If they failed to heal, the infirmary—where Dr. Mengele had already begun his nefarious work on women and children—would inject a fatal dose of phenol directly into their hearts.

 

Of the 2,722 Slovakian Jews who had been rounded up with Weczler and Vrba, only 159 survived to the summer of 1942. Those who died had been dumped, with another approximately 105,000 bodies, into shallow trenches around Birkenau. “As they decomposed” Conot noted, “the earth rose like a yeasty mixture of dough and bubbled up nauseating gases, which spread for miles.”

 

I think of that last sentence whenever some modern-day know-nothing begins comparing the United States to a proto-Nazi state. Maybe it’s because their analogies are embarrassingly ignorant and intellectually lazy, or maybe it’s because people like Ocasio-Cortez, perhaps unknowingly, diminish the suffering of millions of dead. Or maybe it’s because my own grandfather was taken as slave labor in Austria.

 

Then again, maybe it’s because the comparison itself is a despicable smear of the American people. It’s true that we’re not prepared for the crush of refugees on the southern border (although it should be noted that many Democrats contend any border is immoral). While there is a border, however, we ask migrants who show up to follow existing laws; ones that are subject to the democratic process and the court system.

 

Sometimes we reacted ham-fistedly, even temporarily breaking up families who are transporting children without any oversight. Some migrants have been abused and some have died in our care. There is no excuse for it. Neither is sanctioned by the state.

 

If you believe any of this morally equivalent to carting away millions of people to crematoriums for execution because their faith, your moral compass is irreparably broken.

 

It should also be noted that the United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. There are 40 million people living in the United States who were born in another country—accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2017. We could build a giant steel fence around the entire country, and the United States would still reign as the most welcoming place for foreigners that has ever existed.

 

This doesn’t mean that people of good faith can never be critical of U.S. policy or contrast any policy with Nazi Germany. “Concentration camps” have a long history that predates the Holocaust, after all. But the contemporary usage is clear, notwithstanding Ocasio-Cortez’s unconvincing attempts to walk back her initial statements.  She, in fact, stresses, “I don’t use those words lightly. I don’t use those words to just throw bombs.”

 

This dumb Nazi equivalence certainly isn’t new. We see a spike whenever a Republican is elected—be it Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, or George Bush. Of course, with Donald Trump, they are in full bloom. We see it all across social media. We see it not only from random accounts but from celebrities, well-known pundits, and major newspapers peddling fourth-grade-level historical analysis. What they’re doing is cheapening their own arguments, on top of all else.

 

Ocasio-Cortez, whose historical obliviousness leads her to believe we’re living in an economic and racial dystopia, says she is speaking to those who “are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘Never Again’ means something and…that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free.” It’s indeed strange to hear a leftist who champions anti-Israel causes and anti-Semitic politicians using this phrase, since the Jewish state is the most successful and enduring manifestation of Never Again.

 

The appearance of “Never Again” also undermines her later contention that she wasn’t talking about the Nazi camps.

 

We’re forced to take someone seriously who believes vegetables are a tool of colonial oppression because Ocasio-Cortez is both a charismatic elected official with many impressionable fans, and a person bestowed with a huge media platform. Only last weekend, she appeared on “Meet the Press” praising socialism—the other scourge of the 20th century. Yet when we need our media to ask her to explain her profoundly childish and destructive statements, they are nowhere to be found.

 

BY:  David Harsanyi

 

 


Once Again 

 

Jews do not have some inalienable right or a copyright on Pain & Suffering - did they suffer unimaginable horror - yes ..... but that doesn't preclude others from being recognized as suffering & mistreatment 

 

As most of us on the Forum are well aware - it's already  illegal to ask why Billions of US Tax Payers Dollars are sent to Israel every year - it's illegal to point out that the Conventional Meme offered about Israel being out Greatest ally in the Middle East is a Bogus claim because No Israeli Soldier has ever fought & died side by side with US Soldiers anywhere in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world 

 

So this claim of exclusivity with respect to the term Concentrate Camps is just as Bogus 

 

 

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Controversial Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defended her vicious comments made on social media Monday night; blaming “shrieking Republicans” for the political fallout after she compared immigration detention centers with Nazi Concentration Camp. AOC is your typical socialist person that is simply spitting propaganda that I happen to be quite familiar with. Unfortunately she speaks with little knowledge of what she is talking about. and unfortunately say what she knows will riled up a base and they in turn will chant to whatever her ideas happen to be. sorry, I ain't falling for it. I am accustumed of seeing people like here mix truth with lies and then call them facts.

 

“And for the shrieking Republicans who don’t know the difference: concentration camps are not the same as death camps. Concentration camps are considered by experts as ‘the mass detention of civilians without trial.’ And that’s exactly what this administration is doing,” posted AOC on Twitter. Well, there is no doubt that concentration camps in Germany did turn into death camps. I see in the US a present policy that is not going to makes us proud in the future because of how wrong it happens to be, but, we don't have gas chambers at least as of yet. As I said before she is simply doing what Trump does. exharcerbate the base with not real truths.

 

And for the shrieking Republicans who don’t know the difference: concentration camps are not the same as death camps.

Concentration camps are considered by experts as “the mass detention of civilians without trial.”

And that’s exactly what this administration is doing.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) June 18, 2019

Like as I have said. there is a tremendous difference between what we are doing here and what the Nazis did in Germany, but in order to rile a base, exaggeration, and hyperbole.  need to be included in our speeches to have the effect that we want to have. REmember that Trump is a master at doing this.

 

“The United States is running concentration camps on our southern border. That’s exactly what they are. They are concentration camps. If that doesn’t bother you… I like, whatever, I want to talk to the people that are concerned with humanity that ‘Never Again’ means something,” said the left-wing lawmaker. Look I have seen what she is doing before she is simply taking a truth mix it with a lie and coming up with a truth. Nothing new,  been there, heard that before.

 

“The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the home of the free is extraordinarily disturbing,” she added. What is happening at the border today is bad. there is no question, what has happened regarding the separation of children is very bad. and hoping that if anything, and speaking about reparations. perhaps in the future we need to do that for these people. Because our polices are  shameful for a country that claims to be a Democracy. comparison with Germany sorry, not falling for that. 

 

Ocasio-Cortez falsely claims Trump is operating concentration camps, compares the situation to the Holocaust: “The U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border and that is exactly what they are. … ‘Never Again’ means something … we need to do something about it” pic.twitter.com/F2MmZ8y2dT

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) June 18, 2019 

AOC knows her script well, and people with brains should simply take her words with the credence that they deserve.

 

The self-described Democratic Socialist made national headlines last week when she called for a $4,500 raise for Members of Congress and a “cost-of-living adjustment” for all Americans.

“It may be politically convenient and make you look good in the short term… but we should be fighting for pay increases for every American worker. We should be fighting for $15 an hour minimum wage pegged to inflation,” said Ocasio-Cortez. I sincerely hope that the majority of Americans don't fall for her brand of Democratic Socialism that she is trying to bring to this country, because is not good. We want the freedoms that a true Democracy has brought us. not  what she is tyring to sell  as Democratic Socialism, sorry ain't  buying.

“Everybody in the United States, with a salary, with a wage gets a cost of living increase. Members of Congress, retail workers, everybody should get a cost of living increase,” she added.  Yep, Equality seen the Socialist way and brought about in a country that yes, there is wage inequality.but not in the sense that she is trying to convey.

 

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Her district must be a very interesting group of people... No, le't not blame her followers, simply understand the power or manipulation

 

 


 

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ALL of my Jewish friends agree with AOC. All of them, and they range from conservative Hasidic Jewish women to the most liberal nonobservant Jew.

 

It’s certain readers’ ignorance of history that makes them think of Nazis, because that apparently is the only example they know of.  That’s not AOC’s fault. Her problem is she’s smarter than most Americans and many can’t keep up.

 

 

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Trump supporters seem challenged in reference to definitions.


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ALL of my Jewish friends agree with AOC. All of them, and they range from conservative Hasidic Jewish women to the most liberal nonobservant Jew.

 

It’s certain readers’ ignorance of history that makes them think of Nazis, because that apparently is the only example they know of.  That’s not AOC’s fault. Her problem is she’s smarter than most Americans and many can’t keep up.

 

 

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