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@rk9152  - The best thing for the United States of America to do to ensure it's continued health and survival is to deport all republicans and keep all the immigrants.

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@gordyfl wrote:

In 1942, Fort Sill held approximately 700 Japanese Americans interned by the Department of Justice.
One of the internees, Kanesaburo Oshima, was killed by a guard when he suffered a mental break and attempted to escape on May 12.


News of migrant children housed at Fort Sill spurs protest plans.

 

https://www.kswo.com/2019/06/19/news-migrant-children-housed-fort-sill-spurs-protest-plans/

 

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No comparison - Japanese-Americans were not illegal immigrants,they came in properly and got caught up in a geo-political situation, not of their making. You'd think that KSWO being in the news business would have some sense of a historical perspective.

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@mickstuder wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

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Once Again 

 

Jews do not have some inalienable right or a copyright on Pain & Suffering - did they suffer unimaginable horror - yes ..... but that doesn't preclude others from being recognized as suffering & mistreatment   Yes they do. as a race, a nation a group of people there are no others that  have suffered the horrors that they suffered at the hands of the Nazis. so yes, they deserve the title of  "The people that have suffered most as the hands of others"

 

 

As most of us on the Forum are well aware - it's already  illegal to ask why Billions of US Tax Payers Dollars are sent to Israel every year - it's illegal to point out that the Conventional Meme offered about Israel being out Greatest ally in the Middle East is a Bogus claim because No Israeli Soldier has ever fought & died side by side with US Soldiers anywhere in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world 

Listen Darling!!!! I have  been very critical about Netanyahu and the money that we send to Israel because I also believe that they have as much as we do. but, first of all, who said it was illegal? I have not heard anyone that has been put i jail to say anything about Israel good of bad.m  The idiot in the White House, and Netanyahu presently are the ones that want an war with Iran. and I am thinking that hopefully the Israelis are intelligent so they don't put Netanyahu in charge. and endite him like they should.

 

So this claim of exclusivity with respect to the term Concentrate Camps is just as Bogus 

LOL  LOL LOL I gues  you have never seen a Hollywood movie or read a book    have Jewish friends that can tell you what thosse camps were all about.

 

 


 


Yeah No Doubt You Have Jewish Friends Who Can Tell You All About Their Own History

 

Trump & Trump Jr Are Some Great Story Tellers Too

 

Just this week - they both told the American People Donald Trump Has Suffered More than American Slaves and American Indians 

 

How Much Do You Know About American History

 

There Were 10 Million American Indians Living On What is now the USA - Less than 1/2 that number showed up on the 2010 US Census- Does that make any Mathematical Sense to you - the Pilgrims came on Ships - the Ships carried around 100 Passengers each and yet Americans of European Decent today number in the Hundreds of Millions - less than 5 Million Indians live here & few if any left for another Country - they were Slaughtered Tortured and Minimized

 

How Much do your Jewish Friends Know About their Demise - displaced by a lot of your Jewish Friends BTW

 

Do your Jewish Friends Tell you all about the 5 Million Soviets Bulgarians Croations Serbians Slovenians - the Homosexuals the Handicapped/Disabled who were also Slaughtered within the Holocaust Period  - Probably Not - because to most the Holocaust is strictly a Jewish Tragedy - it wasn't - thats just the most Popular Story Told About the Holocaust

 

Do your Jewish Friends tell you about the 3 Million Poles Eradicated by the Nazi's - 20% of the Population of Poland - 15% of the Population of the Soviet Union died in World War II

 

Ever hear of Holodomor - Google it - it's represents the Genocide of 7.5 Million Ukrainians at the Hands of the Soviets

 

So Yeah the Jewish People have done the Best Job of keeping their Story Relevant and Representative of the Horror of attempted Genocides

 

But they are not the only ones who have suffered - I don't know how you put a Value on who or what Race Religious or Ethnic Group has suffered the most over the History of the World

 

Is it numbers - percentages - what about Entire Races of humans exterminated - gone for ever

 

All I know is this - No One Race - No One Ethnicity or Religion has the Right to Claim a Copyright on Torture or Genocide

Nor is anyone doing that here. This is about the Nazi obsession of the Trump haters using the term in support of thier Maeist darling..

 

Humans are far to Brutal a Species for that and I've only mentioned a few of the worst examples - there are many more.........

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

The Problem With Ocasio-Cortez’s Shameful Ignorance Of History

 

Most Nazi analogies are profoundly stupid, intellectually lazy, and diminish the suffering of millions.

 

In April 1944, two Slovakian Jews named Alfred Weczler and Rudolf Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, and provided one of the first eyewitness accounts of the horrors of the European concentration camps. Both men had been rounded up with a group of their countrymen and sent to the Birkenau section of the camp in the spring of 1941, where they were immediately put to work as slave labor.

 

This was before the German regime had properly streamlined and industrialized efforts to destroy European Jewry. In the early days of the camp, any man incapable of labor was immediately executed. Those who survived were sent to do the grueling work of construction.

 

The men began their work at sunrise, and except for a half-hour break at noon, when the prisoners were fed cabbage and turnip soup, they worked until 6 p.m. For dinner, the men were given an ounce of moldy bread made from “ersatz flour and sawdust.” Lice and fleas tortured their emaciated bodies as they slept on wooden boards. “Rats were so bold they gnawed at the toes and fingers of sleepers and stole the crumbs they had left in their pockets,” wrote Robert Conot in his book “Justice at Nuremberg.”

 

A third of the prisoners died every week. If a worker was hurt, he was allotted three days of recovery time. If they failed to heal, the infirmary—where Dr. Mengele had already begun his nefarious work on women and children—would inject a fatal dose of phenol directly into their hearts.

 

Of the 2,722 Slovakian Jews who had been rounded up with Weczler and Vrba, only 159 survived to the summer of 1942. Those who died had been dumped, with another approximately 105,000 bodies, into shallow trenches around Birkenau. “As they decomposed” Conot noted, “the earth rose like a yeasty mixture of dough and bubbled up nauseating gases, which spread for miles.”

 

I think of that last sentence whenever some modern-day know-nothing begins comparing the United States to a proto-Nazi state. Maybe it’s because their analogies are embarrassingly ignorant and intellectually lazy, or maybe it’s because people like Ocasio-Cortez, perhaps unknowingly, diminish the suffering of millions of dead. Or maybe it’s because my own grandfather was taken as slave labor in Austria.

 

Then again, maybe it’s because the comparison itself is a despicable smear of the American people. It’s true that we’re not prepared for the crush of refugees on the southern border (although it should be noted that many Democrats contend any border is immoral). While there is a border, however, we ask migrants who show up to follow existing laws; ones that are subject to the democratic process and the court system.

 

Sometimes we reacted ham-fistedly, even temporarily breaking up families who are transporting children without any oversight. Some migrants have been abused and some have died in our care. There is no excuse for it. Neither is sanctioned by the state.

 

If you believe any of this morally equivalent to carting away millions of people to crematoriums for execution because their faith, your moral compass is irreparably broken.

 

It should also be noted that the United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. There are 40 million people living in the United States who were born in another country—accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2017. We could build a giant steel fence around the entire country, and the United States would still reign as the most welcoming place for foreigners that has ever existed.

 

This doesn’t mean that people of good faith can never be critical of U.S. policy or contrast any policy with Nazi Germany. “Concentration camps” have a long history that predates the Holocaust, after all. But the contemporary usage is clear, notwithstanding Ocasio-Cortez’s unconvincing attempts to walk back her initial statements.  She, in fact, stresses, “I don’t use those words lightly. I don’t use those words to just throw bombs.”

 

This dumb Nazi equivalence certainly isn’t new. We see a spike whenever a Republican is elected—be it Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, or George Bush. Of course, with Donald Trump, they are in full bloom. We see it all across social media. We see it not only from random accounts but from celebrities, well-known pundits, and major newspapers peddling fourth-grade-level historical analysis. What they’re doing is cheapening their own arguments, on top of all else.

 

Ocasio-Cortez, whose historical obliviousness leads her to believe we’re living in an economic and racial dystopia, says she is speaking to those who “are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘Never Again’ means something and…that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free.” It’s indeed strange to hear a leftist who champions anti-Israel causes and anti-Semitic politicians using this phrase, since the Jewish state is the most successful and enduring manifestation of Never Again.

 

The appearance of “Never Again” also undermines her later contention that she wasn’t talking about the Nazi camps.

 

We’re forced to take someone seriously who believes vegetables are a tool of colonial oppression because Ocasio-Cortez is both a charismatic elected official with many impressionable fans, and a person bestowed with a huge media platform. Only last weekend, she appeared on “Meet the Press” praising socialism—the other scourge of the 20th century. Yet when we need our media to ask her to explain her profoundly childish and destructive statements, they are nowhere to be found.

 

BY:  David Harsanyi

 

 


Once Again 

 

Jews do not have some inalienable right or a copyright on Pain & Suffering - did they suffer unimaginable horror - yes ..... but that doesn't preclude others from being recognized as suffering & mistreatment 

 

As most of us on the Forum are well aware - it's already  illegal to ask why Billions of US Tax Payers Dollars are sent to Israel every year - it's illegal to point out that the Conventional Meme offered about Israel being out Greatest ally in the Middle East is a Bogus claim because No Israeli Soldier has ever fought & died side by side with US Soldiers anywhere in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world 

 

So this claim of exclusivity with respect to the term Concentrate Camps is just as Bogus 

 

 


Yes, they died under our care but not as a result of our actions. 

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AOC "unglued" is multiple times more focused and coherent than Trump on his best day.  Just sayin'

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Trump “opponents” have a very clear picture of what he is doing on the southern border...making a total mess of the situation he helped create. 

Now adding to his total mismanagement,

they are dropping off immigrants in interior cities to fend for themselves, using them as revenge items. 

And yesterday, I watched an appeals hearing where trump’s admin was arguing that it was okay for immigrants to sleep on concrete floors, covered with foil blankets, and not be given hygiene items. Needless to say the three judge panel was in disbelief, as are 

trump “opponents”.

Call them whatever you like, but trump camps are meant to create fear, division from society, and belittle human beings. 

We are better than that!

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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ALL of my Jewish friends agree with AOC. All of them, and they range from conservative Hasidic Jewish women to the most liberal nonobservant Jew.

 

It’s certain readers’ ignorance of history that makes them think of Nazis, because that apparently is the only example they know of.  That’s not AOC’s fault. Her problem is she’s smarter than most Americans and many can’t keep up.

 

 

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Trump supporters seem challenged in reference to definitions.


No question but that the dictionary has an accurate definition, however overlooked in this is the historical implications of the term which makes it inappropriate in this instance.

 

Trump haters seem challenged in seeing the total picture.

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Oh - like tRump Cultists trying to get into one of fat boi's rallies?

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This would be the first time that people climed fences to get into such a place.

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