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Sounds so simple gordy , but which members of Congress are bought and paid for by the wealthy private healthcare and drug manufacturing world ???

 

Yes, I thought about that. It may not be that easy, even with a Democratic majority. 

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A student of art once asked a teacher of art when to know when a piece of art is complete.  The answer:  "when nothing need be added and nothing need be taken away".  Randy seems to be there.  The teacher didn't credit the originator.....maybe didn't know....no matter, it's the thought that counts.

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Do we really have a Congress for the people ?

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Sounds so simple gordy , but which members of Congress are bought and paid for by the wealthy private healthcare and drug manufacturing world ???

 

Yes, I thought about that. It may not be that easy, even with a Democratic majority. 

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BTW Paul Ryan and his Healthcare Lobbyist wife will never let single payer or drug price negotiation happen on their watch. HMMM

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Sounds so simple gordy , but which members of Congress are bought and paid for by the wealthy private healthcare and drug manufacturing world ??? The Healthcare " Special Interest" Lobbyists in Congress run the show in D.C.  That's how 99% of us get it stuck to us !

It's a joke that we are the only developed Nation whose government refuses to negotiate drug prices !!! 

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@gordyfl wrote:

You don't start negotiations from the middle. You wind up somewhere between center and right.

 

Yup.  Liberals listen to other views and accept those with merit.  It's what they do. Radicals of the 'conservative' stripe, simply do not.  'Rational 'is not their guiding principal.  'WINNING' is.  

 

Demand $15 an hour, you come away with $12. Demand $12, you get $10.

 

Yup.  Called 'getting the best deal', so it is.  Honor or reason has nothing to do with it.  

 

Demand Medicare for All, you get Medicare Buy In, or a Medicare Public Option.

 

Nope.  All you'll get is endless protestations why it 'can't' work and demands to 'prove them wrong'.

Observe this forum...that's all you'll get from the 'radical right'.

 

Murphy's plan wouldn't even be discussed if it weren't for Bernie traveling the country pushing for Medicare for All, healthcare "as a right". - a frightening thought for the private insurance companies.

 

Yup.

 

Obama got the ball rolling. People now accept the idea of government involved in healthcare. Murphy's plan might be that next step. 

 

Only "SOME" 'people' accept that.  The RRR does not.  Murphy's plan will let 'them' kick the can down the road once more.

 

Personally, I think the simplest way would be - just mail everyone a Medicare Card for basic coverage, and be done with it.

 

Yup.

 

How to pay for it? Taxes. End our endless wars. Every major country guarantees healthcare. Why not us?

 

Well......yeaaahhhhh!......yeah again....yeah again.  Dunno, Alfie....why you think that is?


 

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That  is the way that I have felt for years. you have the right not to have insurance and I SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR YOU IF YOU NEED HEALTH CARE AT ALL.

 

That makes sense. However, the Courts have ruled otherwise. That is why I was out of step with the Republican Party re Obamacare - the individual mandate made sense, with or without fully socialized medicine.


 

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Framing:    Universal Healthcare is what this country needs.    

     Some will argue that people have the right to not have healthcare, to which I would respond.   You have the FREEDOM not to use a national healthcare regime, but you can always change your mind.      That changing your mind is also a FREEDOM.  

 

 

Yes, some people do argue they have the right not to have healthcare, but the taxpayers don't have the right to choose not to pick up their tab when a health disaster strikes them. They never seem to think of that.


That  is the way that I have felt for years. you have the right not to have insurance and I SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR YOU IF YOU NEED HEALTH CARE AT ALL.

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Framing:    Universal Healthcare is what this country needs.    

     Some will argue that people have the right to not have healthcare, to which I would respond.   You have the FREEDOM not to use a national healthcare regime, but you can always change your mind.      That changing your mind is also a FREEDOM.  

 

 

Yes, some people do argue they have the right not to have healthcare, but the taxpayers don't have the right to choose not to pick up their tab when a health disaster strikes them. They never seem to think of that.

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FRAMING:    Spending more money for an "ADVANTAGE" - that some have just figured out was a Rip-Off.

 

Framing:    Universal Healthcare is what this country needs.    

     Some will argue that people have the right to not have healthcare, to which I would respond.   You have the FREEDOM not to use a national healthcare regime, but you can always change your mind.      That changing your mind is also a FREEDOM.  

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
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