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That "kick the can down the road" idea makes the assumption that socialized medicine in inevitable. Granted, had the last election gone a different way it might well have happened.

 

But remember, the one who lost ran on socialized medicine and the one that won didn't. So, maybe it isn't inevitable.


I need someone to explain to me why its bad for the US to have the best healthcare system in the world. Call it what you want..the US is far from the best. Is there a reason US citizens dont deserve it?

 


It isn't. We almost had a great improvement when the Congress sent tort reform legislation to Clinton - but he vetoed it.

 

I have no idea how things happen in other nations but look at the problems with the VA healthcare system and look at the "war on poverty" run by our government and you might see that simply turning healthcare over to some bureaucrats in DC is no going to give us a Swedish system.

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WASHINGTON — Bay State Sen. Elizabeth Warren is backing Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care bill, joining other high-profile Democrats yesterday as a co-sponsor of the Vermont independent senator’s measure to extend Medicare coverage to everyone as the midterm election season draws near.

“Medicare for All is one way that we can give every single person in the country access to high-quality health care,” Warren said in a statement released by her campaign yesterday. “Everyone is covered. Nobody goes broke paying a medical bill. Families don’t have to bear the costs of heartbreaking medical disasters on their own.”

 

The Cambridge Democrat joins others such as U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) in endorsing Sanders’ single-payer plan, a move that comes as Democrats try to improve their chances of taking back the Senate in next year’s election — or at least not lose seats as they face a difficult election map — with economic appeals to voters.

 

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 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_politics/2017/09/elizabeth_warren_co_sponsors_bernie_sanders_...

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Granted, had the last election gone a different way it might well have happened.

 

But remember, the one who lost ran on socialized medicine and the one that won didn't. So, maybe it isn't inevitable.

 

But the one who lost the election lost for many reasons. She'll explain even more reasons why she lost in Her new book coming to bookstores this month.

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Hillary called Medicare-or-All "Pie in the Sky".

 

2016 Election: Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry. Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come to Pass".

 

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/34935-hillary-clinton-gets-13-million-from-healt...

 

 

 

 

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Some people do argue they have the right not to have healthcare.

 

Sounds similar to the argument against seatbelts and airbags. Some people wanted the freedom to "fly through the windshield" if they should so choose. Since the seatbelt laws have been implemented, there are less orphaned children in our country.

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@rk9152 wrote:

That "kick the can down the road" idea makes the assumption that socialized medicine in inevitable. Granted, had the last election gone a different way it might well have happened.

 

But remember, the one who lost ran on socialized medicine and the one that won didn't. So, maybe it isn't inevitable.


A command economy will also beat a free market economy in the short term. Anything over 2 years and it goes down in flames. Same here

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@rk9152 wrote:

That "kick the can down the road" idea makes the assumption that socialized medicine in inevitable. Granted, had the last election gone a different way it might well have happened.

 

But remember, the one who lost ran on socialized medicine and the one that won didn't. So, maybe it isn't inevitable.


I need someone to explain to me why its bad for the US to have the best healthcare system in the world. Call it what you want..the US is far from the best. Is there a reason US citizens dont deserve it?

 

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That "kick the can down the road" idea makes the assumption that socialized medicine in inevitable. Granted, had the last election gone a different way it might well have happened.

 

But remember, the one who lost ran on socialized medicine and the one that won didn't. So, maybe it isn't inevitable.

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I realize that there are laws that protect those individuals that say that the Government can't make me have health insurance, but we need a law that says that I as a tax payer will not pay one penny for those that don't want to have health insurance. I believe that is a fair thing for all.
Those are the real mouchers of the system remember they are not on Medicaid or Medicare, they are about getting the freebies from us they are  the ones that are famous  for thei lack of responsibility. Usually in this case the Alt Right people, the ultra conservatives and all those kooks that think that they are better than all of us. 

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It seems to me that if every other developed country in the world uses the same system for providing health care and that system is different than yours, there are a couple of questions you should ask:

 

  • Are the health care outcomes for my population better than theirs ?(No)
  • Does my health care system provide care at a lower cost than theirs ?(No)
  • Given the above, why am I running a different system for providing health care?
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@mandm84 wrote:

Do we really have a Congress for the people ?


my feelings exactly. I have good Dem senators too, and sometimes i cant believe what they do. 

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