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@gordyfl wrote:

If you're a visitor in the U.K. emergency treatment is free.

  • If you have an accident or need emergency medical treatment, you will receive that treatment free of charge, regardless of your nationality or place of residence as long as that emergency treatment is delivered at:
  • a primary care facility or General Practitioner's office, known as a GP's Surgery
    a hospital emergency room, called Accident and Emergency (A&E) or Casualty in UK hospitals
  • A walk-in center providing services similar to an emergency room.

That service only extends to the immediate emergency. Once you are admitted to a hospital - even for emergency surgery or further emergency treatment - you have to pay for your treatment and medicines.

 

That's not the case in Canada.


It is highly recommended that international tourists visiting Canada must get a Travel Medical Insurance for their visit to Canada, since the healthcare can be very expensive without a proper health insurance coverage. ... No, the Canadian national universal health coverage is only for Canada citizens and lawful residents.

 

Each country with universal healthcare has different rules fo visitors.

 

If you're a visitor in the U.S. you can try a Go-Fund-Me.


That seems to be the Republcian alternative for the bottom 99% of Citizens as well, and they'd like to see it extended to your retirement as well.

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So Capitalism will make everyone rich, lack of health care will make everyone well and more Republicans will end the need for taxation because there will be no government to support - that about cover the GOPer Gospel according to Fox?

 

Have you EVER in your entire life actually checked a number from the GOPerLords BEFORE you swallowed it?

 

Here's a wake-up for ya, free of charge:

 

Total personal income in 2016: $16.010 TRILLION x 65% = $10.407 TRILLION in Federal REVENUE according to your source.

 

If we first took off the entire FY2018 budget expenditures ($4.094 Trillion) AND

simply handed an equal share of the remaining $6.313Trillion over to each of the 142 million households in the USA, everyone would have a minimum family income of $ $44,457 from the transfer and, on average, (since we'd all keep 35% of the average $54,000 we already have) the typical American Family would have to struggle by on $63,357, an instantaneous increase of 17%.

 

That would mean the bottom 10% would get around $56,000 (vs about $12,000 today) - plenty to buy insurance-  and someone who had an income of $1,000,000 would have around $400,000 to struggle by on..and you think this would be a BAD thing???

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Your basic thinking seems to be like scout's - the only way to fix anything is to become a country run by a one Party system. 

 

Let's get passed that and back to healthcare - since we already have Medicaid, what is wrong with fitting it to the perceived needs of the poor that it currently does not address?


No, it doesn't have to be one party, and yes, Medicaid could be changed and expanded to better serve those who need insurance but cannot afford it. It would also have to address what happens in the "no" states, like Texas and Florida. It won't happen as long as Trump is president, and there are R's in Congress that give him a rubber stamp to do whatever. Voting those people out of office would be a good start, IMO.

 

Whatever the system, at whatever level (city, county, state, or federal), it still requires tax money to pay for it. Since the state of Texas does very little, it's mostly left to the city and county services to deal with it. The budgets are strained at all levels. Non-profits pick up some of the underserved, but their resources are also limited. 

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I guy is in his mid forties, successful in he career, lives in a great condo and drives an expensive car. He has never paid a nickle into insurance - money that your have helped cover the expenses of others (the basic insurance concept).

 

Now he is diagnosed with something nasty and expensive. Who should cover his expenses - those that he chose to not participate with for all these years??

 

Alternately, if the same guy had been paying into an insurance plan I'm all for legislation saying that he cannot now be dropped.

 

I know someone like that, too. Only he has a strategy.

He has a nice home and six-figures in the bank. Never takes out health insurance. He's been lucky so far. No serious illnesses.

He said he is self incorporated. I'm not sure of his details, but he said if he ever got very sick and is hit with a big medical bill, he can declare self-bankruptcy. In the end, he expects to dump his medical bills on the government. 

Cases like these are rare. The majority (70%) prefer to have a good system that works for all.

 

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If you're a visitor in the U.K. emergency treatment is free.

  • If you have an accident or need emergency medical treatment, you will receive that treatment free of charge, regardless of your nationality or place of residence as long as that emergency treatment is delivered at:
  • a primary care facility or General Practitioner's office, known as a GP's Surgery
    a hospital emergency room, called Accident and Emergency (A&E) or Casualty in UK hospitals
  • A walk-in center providing services similar to an emergency room.

That service only extends to the immediate emergency. Once you are admitted to a hospital - even for emergency surgery or further emergency treatment - you have to pay for your treatment and medicines.

 

That's not the case in Canada.


It is highly recommended that international tourists visiting Canada must get a Travel Medical Insurance for their visit to Canada, since the healthcare can be very expensive without a proper health insurance coverage. ... No, the Canadian national universal health coverage is only for Canada citizens and lawful residents.

 

Each country with universal healthcare has different rules for visitors.

 

If you're a visitor in the U.S. you can try a Go-Fund-Me.

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I worked fo two employers who provided excellent health insurance. Fully covered. No premiums. No co-pays.

One was Blue Cross - Blue Shield. The other was a very large corporation. They were "self-insured" and Massachusettes Mutual handled the healthcare process.

If I was asked if I supported Medicare for All while I was working for those two companies, I probably would not have been concerned.

 

However, the last 20 years of my working career, my employer provided healthcare was rinky-dink. The salary and benefits were substandard. You prayed you didn't come down with a serious illness. If you did you'd be broke and in debt. I kept hearing people telling me they had to "sign on the dotted line" before they were treated. Some later had to deal with collection agencies.

 

Since the poll has reached 70%, that says a lot about our economy overall.

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Is America the only country in the world where the Health Care industry is a "For Profit" system?That's right, insurance companies making lots of money from health care.

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Well, I do understand that it has worked fine for me for many years.

 

Nothing wrong about that. So you're part of the 30%.

 

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70% of the poll numbers support single payer coverage, not 70% of the citizens! Polls lie - polls said Hillary would be President.

 

Then it could be higher than 70%. Interesting.

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Healthy Young People do not buy helath insurance because their brains are not fully developed, leading them into a statistically significant higher number of risky behaviors then they will undertake as mentally mature adults. It's well documented, and for proof I offer the fact people under 25 find it almost impossible to rent a car these days. @olderscout.................I'm going to disagree with you about the brains of the young people, especially the young vs the older brains. I work with some younger people and I read here. I find the younger brains to be smart. Some of the tripe I read here ain't so smart or even logical. Is the statement you made about the younger brains the reason you want them to have free college? If so, when will you know when their brain is mature enough to take on this feat?
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