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Our Republicans have done such a bangup job caring for the needs of Americans our kids are suffering from such anxiety about their futures we have an epidemic of drugs and suicide.

 

This notion that holding growth in the minimum wage at HALF the rate of inflation for the last half-centruy means that it is the Workers fault putting in 60 hour weeks cannot provide their basic necessities is simply evil.

 

The only ones who have seen a real improvement in their standard of living are those who can game the system by manimpulating other people's money into their pockets while producing noting of value themselves.

 

Time to put the REAL "makers" back at the top of our priorities, and let those who rode their backs to riches go back to paying a fair share for the ride.

 

Providing for the health care of all Americans even if those who can afford more pay more is long overdue. No other democracy on earth allows illness to cause personal bankrupcy.

 

Why do Republicans demand the poor must suffer so the rich get richer?

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No, the VA is not the model healthcare system that single payer advocates are pursuing. 

If that was the case, the survey would have asked if you wanted a "VA for All" healthcare system. I haven't heard a call for "VA for All". Have you?

Doctors and nurses are government employee at the VA. The government owns VA hospitals. Your "VA for All" healthcare system is much like socialism. "VA for All" would be more like the system they have in Cuba where doctors and nurses are government employees.

 

70% of Americans support "Medicare" for All. It's quite different than your "VA for All" plan. Quite different.

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@GailL1 - The whole point is that people are fed up with rising health care costs, big pharma and price gouging, and a Congress that does nothing to secure the future of anyone, other than themselves.

 

We want problem solvers in Congress who will work for the people and not the insurance companies, and certainly not big pharma. We want people in Congress who will strengthen Medicare and Medicaid, not bleed it to death.

 

Medicare for All is simply a term that implies universal coverage. People seem to favor universal coverage and being able to get health care without going broke. 

 


While I agree that cost are out of control - In my subsequent post I have given some example of how our cost also come from the US consumer and how it differs in other countries.

 

So when you are including insuers, hospital, providers, pharma - don't exclude the consumer too -

This has become learned behavior because we put so much value on just life rather than the more important QUALITY of life.  Our science should not be different from that in other countries but we add in public opinion and who can yell louder in our process. 

 

We have to come to terms with what will change and what and who will have the final word.

Yes, all treatment value has to be accepted and applied as a principal for any care - for anybody, unless they are paying out of pocket for it.

 

It is not of any value for an old or very sick person on death's door to be rushed to the hospital ER - but it happens everyday.  This is kinda old but change the numbers and the cost to higher and the scenario is the same.  CBS - 60 Minutes - The Cost of Dying

 

Good Grief - we can't even agree on a Woman's Right to Choose

We can't even give an adult the right to end their life with advance planning based on a quality of life scenario.

We have become a nation of demanders for healthcare - and the whole industry knows it and plays off of it - Pharma, Hospitals, Providers, Patient Advocate Groups -

 

Who wants to work at improving their total health when a pill or two will do.

Who wants to wait until they have lost weight for a knee replacement when they can have muliple ones since the failure rate is high for the obese.

Who wants to wait for an MRI (or whatever) when somebody else is paying for the millions of them we have in certain areas but NONE in others.

 

Yes, it is messed up but it is gonna take a whole lot more than just a bunch of tax money and what is covered to fix it.  We need a totally different way of thinking and making decisions about what actually is the best value in healthcare and then spread it around even to places that have none now.

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In reading your reply I am deeply concerned by some of the views, and agree with some. Here are 2 that I ask you to further explain. You indicate in  the para started with: We have to come to terms with what will change etc., and ends with unless they are paying out of pocket for it.       As I read that are you saying that someone should make treatment decisions based on whether a person is paying for it. The paying person gets more and better treatment than a person who one does not know if they are paying or not.    The second one the para starts with:  It is not of any value for an old or sick very sick person on deaths door etc:  As I read that are you saying the person should just be left to die, and not treated based on what an on scene person (who might not have any medical training) thinks.

If this is the way you would cut costs I want no part of that approach, and it goes against every medical oath the people in the field take. We are better than that. I do know that a former Gov. of Ga. did go down the path of let them die in the streets, but really thought that was talk from the right, not something one would want to make part of a health care program.

 

You are correct that costs are out of control. One big reason is we never talk about the entire health care system costs, and until that is done you will cost shift for the most part, and that is what has been happening. Women should have the right to choose, and that includes birth control options as in the long run this will reduce costs to the entire system.

 

A person should have the right to choose when to  end their life, but that should be subject to a set of rules for providers so we do not help people end their lives for the wrong reasons. There are states who have such laws and that would be a starting point.

 

The basic starting point in any health care system is all are covered. A system starting point could be a medicare for all (under 65) approach as we know medicare works. There will be cost savings as we get rid of the ER care part of the system. There are experts who can work on controlling costs, and paying the total bill. Here is one small idea. When you get a drivers license, or buy a car included in that cost is a Private Passenger Auto Medical policy. The money goes into the medical fund and helps cover the medical costs from auto accidents. This can be rated by state, and include motorcycles, large trucks etc. The experts  could figure all of this out. AARP has people on its staff that could serve, plus medical people, Univ. etc.


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Distortion? Look, the young healthy people did not buy insurance like Obama told the insurance companies would happen. If you want government health care then if you are a vet you can go to the VA. That is the model the government would follow if a single payer plan or socialized medicine came about. Noproblems with that right??????
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Part A (HI)  is going broke -

Part B (SMI) beneficiary premiums are going up and will continue to do so - they are based on Part B useage.

 

 Is this similar to what you are looking for in a single payer system????

 

Seniors have more "pre-existing conditions" than any age group.


It's no wonder the insurance companies didn't want us seniors (Thank you, LBJ).


Which explains why the government spends so much on Medicare.


If you have a lasting disability (and you're not a senior), Uncle Sam will foot the bill. (To the "for-profit" insurance companies -- they see you as a money loser)

 
The private insurance companies keep the younger healthier Americans and make their profits.


This is why every major industrialized nation in the world has a universal healthcare system in place.


Their governments don't just take care of their aging seniors (like here in the U.S.). Everyone is in the system - young, old - healthy, not healthy.

 

70% --- People are catching on.

 

 

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The previous post was a complete distortion of Obamacare. Talk about ignoring the truth!

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You are right about one thing. Obamacare was doomed from its inception. The young people did not get coverage. With, basically free healthcare (single payer and socialized medicine) for all, add to that the free tuition for college, free or subsidized housing, Food Stamps why would anyone want to work? This will cause each person to be taxed at least 65 to 75% of their wages including SSI. I want a million dollars but someone is going to have to pay for it. Wanting something does not make it feasible.
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   Reminder:   the GOP are intent on removing the demand that people with pre-existing conditions can be denied affordable healthcare insurance.     Only the really stupid will deny that every institution that offers healthcare insurance will downgrade the coverage they offer.

   No whining when they come for Medicare as well.  OK?

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
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Good, if its not broke then don't try to fix the rest of America's healthcare issues by putting all the medicare taxes into a single payer plan.  France and other single payer plans tax the populus at 70% and unemplyment is at 24%.  Leave medicare alone it is the best idea right now.  Medicare is just for the eldery.  Sorry, I guess you can call me selfish. 

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Unbelievable! How is Single Payer going to hurt the elderly? They already have a single payer system and they love it.

 

 


Not quite as complete as some seniors want it.

Let's see - Original Medicare has no vision, no dental, no hearing

There is those pesky deductibles, copays and coinsurance in Part D - even for some preventive immunizations.

Unless you have a supplemental that picks up the remaining 20% of Medicare Cost, it is out of pocket  - a lot of seniors cannot afford those supplementals.

There are also dollar or other limits on certain type services.

 

Part A (HI)  is going broke -

Part B (SMI) beneficiary premiums are going up and will continue to do so - they are based on Part B useage.

 

 Is this similar to what you are looking for in a single payer system????

Long Term Care has been removed from the concept - so we will still have a Medicaid coverage for this for needy seniors that meet the eligibility.  Everybody else will pay - just like now.

 

 

 

 

 

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