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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - It's Going to be a Long Yr.

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Awesome!  So although you said the data didn't exist, you learned it actually did.... This must be your admission you were wrong....apparently a challenge for some.

 

You claimed, "Of course the larger the database, the smaller these percentages would be."  LOL!  Unreal.  That comment indicates you have a very limited knowledge of data.  You're claiming that if cops killed more people, the percentage killed without weapons would drop.  LMAO!

 

Now, tell us how many needed to be killed and you're there.


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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - Looks Like it's Going to be a Long Yr.

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Olderscout66 wrote:

Want cops to stop shooting people they try and arrest? Stop electing GOPers and we can at least begin a rational discussion.


Better still perhaps the cops should just walk up to the instigators, shake their hands and say 'really you shouldn't ought be doing that', then hold hands and sing Kumbaya with them.

 

Of course it's all the Republicans fault even if our history is full of the same.  It's all about politics.  We have a heavy fog outside this morning and of course it is the fault of those GOPERS and Trump.   

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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - Looks Like it's Going to be a Long Yr.

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Thanks to the NRAGOP and the Fascists of SCOTUS, there is a much better than even chance ANY perp the cops encounter will have more and better firearms than the cop, very propably loaded with Black Talon or other brand cop-killer bullets.

 

Want cops to stop shooting people they try and arrest? Stop electing GOPers and we can at least begin a rational discussion.

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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - It's Going to be a Long Yr.

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Comparing the statistical analysis with the totals of 2017, I come up with these figures and percentages:

 

There 988 cases in the database for 2017...[downloaded this morning]

 

Of these 68 were listed as being unarmed.

 

That is 6.8825910931174% of the 988 that was killed were unarmed.

 

Again, while any human lives that are lost are regrettable, it is again apparent that the initial poster,  and those supporting him, appear more interested in supermarket tabloid reporting than in serious reporting.

 

For informational purposes my method of determining these figures was to download the database then open it up in MS Excell, extract the figures for each year, sort by manner of death, then arrive at percentage.

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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - It's Going to be a Long Yr.

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It is easy to claim one is familiar with databases, their use and arriving at statistical data from them.  Analyzing these gives a better idea of the meaning unless one aims for sensationalism like the supermarket tabloids.  Overall totals is meaningless unless, as in the apparent case here in the other threads, someone is using them wrong. 

 

Following is the picture we get from this database.

 

There has been 123 killings by law enforcement so far in 2018.

 

In 5 of these cases the victim was unarmed, This represents 4.0650406504065% of the123

 

In 4 cases it was undetermined whether victim was armed or not.  This represents 3.25203252033% of the123

 

In 1 case there was no indication whether victim was armed or unarmed.  This represents 0.813008130081% of 123.

 

That means that 113 or 91.869918699187% of the 123 was armed in someway.

 

Of course the larger the database, the smaller these percentages would be. 

 

But of course just saying 123 people was killed by police so far this year makes for a more sensational headline doesn't it?

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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - It's Going to be a Long Yr.

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ChasKy53 wrote:

JohnN207788 wrote:

You must not be able to read and understand the difference between Unarmed and Unknown.

You can not add the 4 Unknowns to the 5 Unarmed just because the words both start with a U.   

So there are 5 Unarmed NOT 9.


Anyone wanting to form an opinion should go to the data base and look at data as you did, thanks for making that point. It's still simple math, whatever the figures are, isn't it? Go to the 2017 and 2016 data bases and you can get a history too.

 

It is a data base that the Washington Post compiled. Is the Washington post a "police hater"?  Do they denigrate all police officers by compiling a data base?


Of course not, the database apparently is far smarter than some who use it.

 

And btw, how can the use of a weapon be "unknown"?  Sounds to me like a locality doesn't want to admit it was "none".


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Re: 123 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - It's Going to be a Long Yr.

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JohnN207788 wrote:

You must not be able to read and understand the difference between Unarmed and Unknown.

You can not add the 4 Unknowns to the 5 Unarmed just because the words both start with a U.   

So there are 5 Unarmed NOT 9.


Anyone wanting to form an opinion should go to the data base and look at data as you did, thanks for making that point. It's still simple math, whatever the figures are, isn't it? Go to the 2017 and 2016 data bases and you can get a history too.

 

It is a data base that the Washington Post compiled. Is the Washington post a "police hater"?  Do they denigrate all police officers by compiling a data base?


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You must not be able to read and understand the difference between Unarmed and Unknown.

You can not add the 4 Unknowns to the 5 Unarmed just because the words both start with a U.   

So there are 5 Unarmed NOT 9.

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Re: 109 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - Looks Like it's Going to be a Long Yr.

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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:




It most certainly does "break it down" to whether they were armed, unarmed, what they were armed with, a most everything that you have questioned.

 

Either you haven't tried really looking at the data base or for some reason have failed to figure out how to navigate such a simple to use website/data base.


Ok, why don't you total the number who were armed and those who were not.  And give the percentage of the total that were armed versus unarmed.  That would make the database meaningful rather than saying a certain total was killed by police.

 

Otherwise these type threads come across as saying that sounding like the posters are cop haters.


You were already told how many were unarmed so you know the total and the number of unarmed, the rest is simple math, so why don't you do it? You see, the data base is meaningful, it just takes navigating it and looking at all of the data instead of asking someone else to do it for you. Anyone not looking at the date to base their decisions on instead just accusing others of being cop haters, or saying that the data base puts all police officers in the same box and paints them all badly, have no grounds to stand on.


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Re: 109 Killed by Police Already in 2018 - Looks Like it's Going to be a Long Yr.

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ChasKy53 wrote:




It most certainly does "break it down" to whether they were armed, unarmed, what they were armed with, a most everything that you have questioned.

 

Either you haven't tried really looking at the data base or for some reason have failed to figure out how to navigate such a simple to use website/data base.


Ok, why don't you total the number who were armed and those who were not.  And give the percentage of the total that were armed versus unarmed.  That would make the database meaningful rather than saying a certain total was killed by police.

 

Otherwise these type threads come across as saying that sounding like the posters are cop haters.

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