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OUR TIME DANCE - What Do You Think of Making Daylight Savings Time Permanent?

GailL1 — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 17:28:06 GMT

Something to think about as we sip our coffee -

I am curious what people think of Daylight Savings Time - Should it be made permanent or do we keep doing this "fall back / spring forward" every year.

I have a (rather old) "bird clock" and in order to keep the bird sounds correct, it is a big deal to change it twice a year or else I have one of the owls belching out whippoorwill songs - have to do it right or it gets really messed up.

This year in March the Senate passed "The Sunshine Protection Act" (bipartisan) a move that could make daylight saving time permanent in 2023, but the bill hasn’t been voted on by the House.

The way it goes, as I understand it, is that various states can approve making DST permanent, as many have, but until it is passed by Federal legislatures, it is only a paper thing.

This link gives many of the pros and cons of leaving DST in place all year - it also has numbers on how many Americans feel about it.

Axios 11/05/2022 - Clocks "fall back" tonight: Blame Congress if you're sick of it

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Context: A new study in the journal Current Biology predicts that year-round daylight saving time could prevent 36,550 deer deaths, 33 human deaths, 2,054 human injuries and $1.19 billion in collision costs annually.

Now I am interested in what you think - ?????????? Personally, I would like it.

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carols190685 — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:06:32 GMT

I dislike daylight savings. Didn't California just pass NO daylight savings? Think starts next year.

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DaveMcK — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 01:02:07 GMT

This is a great positive for going to permanent daylight savings time.

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"Context: A new study in the journal Current Biology predicts that year-round daylight saving time could prevent 36,550 deer deaths, 33 human deaths, 2,054 human injuries and $1.19 billion in collision costs annually."

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GailL1 — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 02:05:36 GMT

@DaveMcK wrote:
This is a great positive for going to permanent daylight savings time. . . . . .

Of course, it is - to you and me and probably 50% +/- of others - but then there is the other 50%+/- that want standard time and not DST.

This is a perfect simple example of how divided we are; rather than united - there are a rash of news articles right now on the pros and the cons of each side - standard time vs DST. More interesting info follows on the history of this quest to find the most united time for all of us.

Today, Two states — Hawaii and most of Arizona — already observe permanent standard time (the time between November and March), meaning they don’t change their clocks at all. Arizona and Hawaii just change time zones rather than pick one over the other. Arizona shifts from the Pacific Time Zone to the Mountain Time Zone, while Hawaii transitions to five hours behind Eastern Time from six hours behind.

The Hill via Nexstar Media News; 10/15/2022 - Daylight saving time: These states want to stop changing the clocks twice a year

from the link ~

Under current federal law, the U.S. as a whole can only abandon the twice-yearly changing of the clocks if Congress enacts a federal law, or a state or local government submits detailed information to the U.S. Secretary of Transportation “supporting its contention the requested change would serve the convenience of commerce.”

. . . . Eighteen states have enacted legislation or resolutions to stay on daylight saving time permanently, pending approval by Congress or other neighboring states enacting similar legislation.

We actually did try going to only DST back in 1974 and it didn't go too well. They did it back then for energy conservation.

Nexstar Media News: 03/16/2022 - Permanent daylight-saving time has been tried before – and it didn’t go well

From the link ~

Daylight saving time in 1974

In a move to combat a national energy crisis in the United States, then-President Richard Nixon signed an emergency daylight saving time bill into law in late 1973 in an attempt to cut demand by extending daylight hours.

Public opinion of year-round daylight saving time was high leading up to the bill’s passage, The New York Times reported. The nearly 80% approval rate in December, 1973 would fall sharply in the months after, however.

Parents became worried about traffic accidents and the safety of their children, who were forced to go to school under winter darkness. By February, approval was at just 42%, according to the Times.

In October of 1974 President Gerald Ford signed a bill returning the nation to standard time for four months of the year.

CRAZY - right?!?

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KellytheBelly — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 05:06:10 GMT

Sorry, but to me there's something really awesome to living when I can gain a whole hour this weekend. I know, it's borrowed time, yet, still... I like it. It's something I look forward to. Standard Time is the one that should be permanent. You get better sleep, core rhythms, etc... And, 'No,' to Daylight Saving Time. By the way, it's Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). 🙂

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Rhymesometimes — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 22:03:51 GMT

@DaveMcK I would love not having daylight savings time any more. In Arizona, we don't have it.

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LeeS4949 — Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:14:21 GMT

Im actually good either way. Just get it where the majority is comfortable and leave it alone.

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CeciliaVFX — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:00:14 GMT

I want them to pick a time and stick with it. I hate this changing nonsense. There's no good reason. I really don't care which one they pick. Just pick it and then leave the rest of us alone, already

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SummerOnTheWay1 — Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:38:51 GMT

📎 [2/22/25] There are SOME things I like about Daylight Savings.

Example, the change that makes it SAFER at School Bus Stops. Hate them waiting in the DARK!!! 😱

More chances of perverts stopping by or being hit by a car.

Hmmm, maybe a MIXED time change that keeps these kids SAFE ALL SCHOOL YEAR would work for me. 👍

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GailL1 — Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:58:50 GMT

@SummerOnTheWay1 - It’s Political - It’s a Health & Wellbeing debate -

NPR 11/22/2023 - Six things to know about the political debate around daylight saving time

It is 20 states now that have urged by vote a standard time method. Think it was California that was the latest.

from the link:

But the medical community has taken issue with how the bill proposes to make the change — specifically, that it mandates all states adopt permanent daylight saving time rather than sticking to standard time.

Doctors and scientists argue that standard time is actually better for our health. Our internal clock is better aligned with getting light in the morning, which, in turn, sets us up for better sleep cycles.

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I can put on my satin black eye mask and I don’t care whichever time we are on. Nothing gets thru - 🤓

I still have my “bird clock”.

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SummerOnTheWay1 — Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:39:09 GMT

📎 [2/22/25] @GailL1 , please STOP tagging my username with the word POLITICAL. I guess you are trying to draw the NEW AARP mod's attention to my posts??? Okay, I am so done here.

YOU WROTE: @Spring2025 - It’s Political - It’s a Health & Wellbeing debate.

ME: So what???

I posted about the SAFETY AT SCHOOL BUS STOPS and that was all!!

Goodnight!!! 😴

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GailL1 — Sun, 23 Feb 2025 01:02:47 GMT

@SummerOnTheWay1

I meant that the subject was political - that’s the reason why we still have to turn clocks one way or the other because Congress can’t agree.

I think Arizona and Hawaii are the only (2) states that don’t have to keep moving the hands on the clock - maybe Alaska - I will have to double check on that one.

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vjklander — Sat, 29 Mar 2025 02:18:42 GMT

I I prefer permanent daylight normal time. Just leave it alone. At least we don't have it like China where the entire country is on Beijing time. If a town doesn't want kids waiting in the dark for a school bus, start school an hour later. Jeez, I must be a genius or something.

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vjklander — Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:59:50 GMT

I I am an engineer with a strong science bent. I am all for just leaving everything as standard time. It is really simple actually. If they don't want the kids waiting at a bus stop or start work in the dark, simple start an hour later. It doesn't take a genius.

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vjklander — Fri, 25 Apr 2025 23:02:36 GMT

Just as an aside, the entire Chinese Empire operates on Beijing time.

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GailL1 — Fri, 25 Apr 2025 23:08:01 GMT

@vjklander

GREAT - I really don’t care which way we go - however, the genius is in getting all the states to agree and then pass a federal law to pick one.

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GailL1 — Fri, 25 Apr 2025 23:09:45 GMT

@vjklander wrote:
Just as an aside, the entire Chinese Empire operates on Beijing time.

What about Taiwan?

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CeciliaVFX — Sat, 26 Apr 2025 00:54:40 GMT

yeah, that may be a lost cause.