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ENOUGH WITH THE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ALREADY!!!!!

nctarheel — Sun, 07 May 2023 04:25:35 GMT

Yet another multiple murder using an assault rifle to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible has occurred. It has become such an everyday occurrence that the news is no longer following the story even though it is only hours after the event. It is time for the citizens of this country to call for the banning of all semi-automatic assault weapons. Other countries have done it. The grief and anguish caused by this daily onslaught of multiple deaths is affecting the psyche of the country as a whole.

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jonibee — Sun, 07 May 2023 13:03:37 GMT

How many must die needlessly until a manadatory gun law is put into place..It's about time the issue is put forth once and for all ..too much blood shed to innocents. It's getting so that one is afraid to venture out of their homes and that isn't a safe haven anymore ..Driving is as bad as if someone cuts you off and you respond you don't know what the consequences will be...Guns in the wrong hands needs to be addresse NOW not shelved again....

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GailL1 — Sun, 07 May 2023 15:14:37 GMT

@jonibee Wrote

. . . . Guns in the wrong hands needs to be addresse NOW not shelved again.

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How to tell those “wrong hands”? Since it may also have to do with a wrong mind and heart & soul.

Perhaps a tattoo in the middle of the head - “NO GUNS FOR YOU”. - easily identifiable - could even include the new photo on picture ID.

Plus if they get it by mistake somehow, it can be removed.

We have over 300 million people in the US and each one is different -

It is a difficult problem but the emphasis does need to be placed on the people behind the gun and their actions.

Solving any problem by targeting those not involved (law abiding, mentally, emotionally healthy people) seems like the wrong way to go to me but that does seem like where some want to go -

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GailL1 — Sun, 07 May 2023 15:20:48 GMT

@nctarheel

Would that be all semi-s?

Seems to me, it isn’t the gun so much as the person behind the gun and their sick action.

Focusing on the gun or even the type of gun, doesn’t do much to uplift the “psyche of the country as a whole”.

What would you do? What could be done legally and would stand up in court?

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DaveMcK — Sun, 07 May 2023 17:24:58 GMT

From my perspective they go hand and grip. To have a shooting you must have both a gun and a person.

Temporary insanity or insanity are a cop-out and puts shooters back on the street at some point more often than not.

Sorry but better the shooter goes to jail than my daughter's the teacher's or my grandchildren get shot or killed.

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nctarheel — Sun, 07 May 2023 17:43:52 GMT

@GailL1 wrote:

Seems to me, it isn’t the gun so much as the person behind the gun and their sick action.

As a fellow HONORED SOCIAL BUTTERFLY, I respect your point of view regarding this subject but the statistics just DO NOT back you up.

Gun deaths are the #1 cause of death in youth now, surpassing automobile accidents.

The "person behind the gun" argument is but a diversion from the real problem..... that military style weapons are on the streets, weapons made to kill as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.

As long as those weapons are legal, no amount of POLICING can get to an active shooter situation prior to multiple deaths.

Our country, as far as its peers, is in a category all by itself as far as multiple murder situations. Multiple murders usually committed with semi-automatic military style weapons.

Many countries have banned this type weapon and have experienced a notable reduction in mass murder. Even this country banned them for a period of time and had a noted reduction in this type of crime.

It is time to address the REAL problem.... not gun safety training......not mental health screenings......not gang violence....... it is time to ban MILITARY STYLE WEAPONRY.

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postman29 — Sun, 07 May 2023 21:16:50 GMT

Well stated! Elections matter! The NRA shouldn't!

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GailL1 — Sun, 07 May 2023 21:58:51 GMT

Guns deaths come from all kinds of guns - The kids in Atlanta being killed by others about their same age, in their neighborhoods, sometimes within their own homes or even in their own beds aren’t killed by what you call military style weapons.

And normally one does not use a “military style weapons” or even a semi-automatic to commit suicide by gun which still is a lot of deaths.

I think I already asked you if you are talking about all semi’s or just the ones that are long guns?

Pew Research Center 04/26/2023 - What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

From the link ~

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included record numbers of both gun murders and gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remained below the levels of earlier decades.

. . . . The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

. . . . the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found.

Type of guns used:

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

More available at the link ~. It is very interesting; even different from what one may have thought from what we hear and see from the MSM and our leaders.

You know, @nctarheel, yes, it is bad and alarming to see all this happening repeatedly - but my view of what we need to do to fix it or try is far from you views. The gun is the instrument - the actions come from the heart, mind of the people who take this action against themselves or others.

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nctarheel — Mon, 08 May 2023 03:59:09 GMT

@GailL1 wrote:

The kids in Atlanta being killed by others about their same age, in their neighborhoods, sometimes within their own homes or even in their own beds aren’t killed by what you call military style weapons.

And normally one does not use a “military style weapons” or even a semi-automatic to commit suicide by gun which still is a lot of deaths.

But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries
. . . . the rate in the U.S. was much lower than Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3)

You know, @nctarheel, yes, it is bad and alarming to see all this happening repeatedly - but my view of what we need to do to fix it or try is far from you views.

Once again, @GailL1 , you are creating a diversion.

From your selection of a city where the population is majority African American, to citing information regarding suicides, to making comparisons between the United States, Venezuela and Guatemala, does not change one statistic.

That statistic is that OVER 85% OF ALL MASS KILLINGS, that being where 4 or more people are killed, the weapon of choice has been an assault military style rifle, a weapon designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time.

THIS INSTRUMENT OF DEATH NEEDS TO BE BANNED.

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WebWiseWoman — Mon, 08 May 2023 06:36:45 GMT

TY @nctarheel; well written and just as a Vet and retired police officer, Steven Spainhouer, said "

"I have guns, I've been around guns, I love my guns, but those automatic rifles that are on the streets need to come off the streets."

As many of you know, my two youngest Daughters were at 1-Oct, saved by very caring and attentive staff, experiencing the worst event of their lives. Yet, here we are, 4.5 years later facing the same DEMON: ARs

And further back in our illustrious history in 1999, 24 years ago, a semi-automatic was used to assassinate 13 people. At that time I wondered why would anyone need a semi? If you used one to hunt, there would be no meat to harvest for the meals hunting is used for, would there?

We so need to once and for all address this, please? Personal arms, okay by me with qualifications. Semi or Automatic: WHY?

#StaySafe

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ChasKy53 — Mon, 08 May 2023 11:06:30 GMT

More and more guns = more and more gun deaths. Yes, it is a true statement. In most mass murders (which is what this topic is about), semi-automatic assault style weapons are used. Why in the world would anyone want to distract from this by bringing up individual handgun deaths in the home? Stop it, please. Countries with assault weapons bans have far less gun deaths, and most especially, mass murders. It's time to ban assault style weapons.

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DaveMcK — Mon, 08 May 2023 13:41:54 GMT

Recent high-profile mass shootings in the United States

@nctarheel wrote:
Yet another multiple murder using an assault rifle to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible has occurred. It has become such an everyday occurrence that the news is no longer following the story even though it is only hours after the event. It is time for the citizens of this country to call for the banning of all semi-automatic assault weapons. Other countries have done it. The grief and anguish caused by this daily onslaught of multiple deaths is affecting the psyche of the country as a whole.

Updated: 7:43 AM CDT May 8, 2023

Associated Press

The latest high-profile mass shooting in the United States happened Saturday in Allen, Texas, where eight people were killed and seven were wounded at a busy outdoor shopping center before police killed the gunman.

The attack is the country's 22nd mass killing – in which four or more people died, not including the assailant – of 2023, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University.

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GailL1 — Mon, 08 May 2023 14:02:32 GMT

Let’s see -
Allen, Texas - 05/06/2023 - gun deaths (8)

All other places in the country - 05/06/2023 - gun deaths (54). And I am not sure if this includes suicides by gun.

Gun Violence Archives\ Last 72 Hours

@ChasKy53 wrote

Why in the world would anyone want to distract from this by bringing up individual handgun deaths in the home?

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Because all lives have meaning and all of these deaths involve guns and what is in the hearts and minds of the people who use them to harm others or themselves.

Don’t look at this problem thru such narrow binders -

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GailL1 — Mon, 08 May 2023 14:23:59 GMT

@nctarheel

I am not creating a diversion - I am viewing the total scope of the problem as well as the common link/ the link that has to be there regardless of type of gun - THE common link - the people who perpetrate such harm on others.

Of course, we need to stop access to any gun by people who should not have them - with all of our technology, it seems that this shouldn’t be so hard in most circumstances.

MOST guns are not used in crimes or murders.

MOST people do not use a gun to cause harm to others or themselves

The definition of a “mass killing” based on some number has been concocted by somebody - The real truth is

Allen, Texas. 05/06/2023. (8) killed

Other Parts of the US. 05/06/2023. (54) killed

Gun Violence Archives \ Last 72 Hours

Which is the most “mass” number?

@nctarheel wrote

I live where I live ( metro Atlanta) - remember you are the one that brought in ethnicity / race into your post - In Atlanta, we have LOTS of different ethnicities / races especially where I live - they , no matter their ethnicity/race. also believe that gun violence is a major problem and more than just a problem with a specific type gun.

Don’t focus on the narrow -

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TanviraliK598764 — Mon, 08 May 2023 17:21:24 GMT

Dear to kill someone is the worst sin,it is equal to killing humanity.The one who kills never get sleep and even sleep becomes hell for him.We have become soul less creatures.

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TanviraliK598764 — Mon, 08 May 2023 17:28:23 GMT

Dear those who kill one day they have to pay back in the same coins.As you Sow So Shall you Reap..It is fault of the parents or manufacturing fault.

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TanviraliK598764 — Mon, 08 May 2023 17:30:29 GMT

Gods Computer is without errors.

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nctarheel — Tue, 09 May 2023 04:35:07 GMT

@GailL1 wrote:

@nctarheel

I am not creating a diversion.
Don’t focus on the narrow

@GailL1,

You are most assuredly creating a diversion. You have taken this discussion from my original comment relating to the use of semi-automatic military style weapons, used in over 85% of all mass shootings and have tried to DIVERT the discussion to everything else under the sun.....from urban crime to suicides to comparing us with other countries. While you are right that gun violence is a major problem, this thread is about military grade assault weapons that are used in 85% of mass shootings because these weapons are designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. The first step to addressing the gun violence issue IS to focus on the narrow. It is to get these weapons of war off the streets.

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nctarheel — Tue, 09 May 2023 04:43:26 GMT

@GailL1 wrote:

@nctarheel

Would that be all semi-s?

@GailL1,

Why are you defending the ownership of semi-automatic military style weapons? Their sole purpose is to kill the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time. They have no other purpose.

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GaPeach72 — Tue, 09 May 2023 14:17:54 GMT

Sorry but, blasphemy is the worst sin.