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Re: electric car mandate

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"...Here's a thought: Why do Americans LOVE huge vehicles when they KNOW another oil crisis will make them unable to afford to drive?...".

 

Ok. Agree to disagree. Your post is another 'excuse the public' and the government has to solve it. They don't have this issue in Europe where all the cars are small.


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retiredtraveler wrote:

Whenever there is a discussion about emissions and air quality, I always have to interject and show that this issue is primarily an American consumer issue that as usual, Americans offload and make the problem someone else's. Don't blame the auto makers -- they are resonding to the majority of Americans who really don't care about emissions, shown by their consumer habits. They don't do this in Europe.

 

"...Ford's F-Series pickup remained the bestselling vehicle in America in 2016, with 820,799 trucks sold. That's the equivalent of 93 trucks sold every hour...".

 

"...Three years ago, trucks and SUVs represented 50% of the U.S. market. They closed 2016 at 63% of total sales, and analysts don't see that changing anytime soon....".


Nobody blames Corporations from pursuing profit - its the only reason they exist.

 

What we must blame is our Republicans who insist the Nation follow the lead of the Corporations without regard to the long-term interests of actual people.

 

Here's a thought: Why do Americans LOVE huge vehicles when they KNOW another oil crisis will make them unable to afford to drive? I'd suggest it's because those HUGE vehicles ARE SAFER! Car crashes are simple physics, and the Laws of Physics dictate whenever two collide, the bigger guy wins. And if you collide with a semi, you lose, but bigger is STILL better.

 

Eventually we'll have to deal with those "consumer preferences" but a couple simple changes will make that much easier. First, REQUIRE all vehicle bumpers be the same height. Today when a car and pickup collide, the pickup simply "rides over" the car because the steel bumper of the pickup strikes the light metal/plastic body of the car and not the frame. Changing bumper height eliminates that "safety advantage" for the pickup and DRASTICALLY improves survivability for the folks in the car. It also eliminates the "sky-rider" pickups that should've been banned from public roads decades ago...or at least requires they be fitted with bumpers at "road level".

 

But the real soultion is to have the Government take the lead and transition our nearly 600,000 Government owned vehicles to all electric by 2025.

 

California saw the highest sale of electric vehicles because THEY have committed to getting fossile fuel vehicles off their roads by 2040. the rest of the States need to follow suit, and if that requires some assistance from the Federal Government that would repeal some tax cuts for the 1%, then we need to repeal them.

 

 

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The USA could retake the lead here in a New York Minute if only we had no Republicans keeping it from happening.

 

The reason electric vehicles are a "slow start" is they're expensive and there's a very limited market, so companies have little incentive to provide the product.

 

BUT the USPS is looking at a $6 BILLION program next year to begin replacing 20,000 of their delivery vans EACH YEAR. There are 228,000 vehicles in the USPS fleet, and an additional 280,000 in the GSA Fleet. Without Republican opposition, the Federal Government could commit to having a totally electric vehicle fleet by 2025. That's an additional demand for 73,000 electric vehicles each year for the next 8,  providing a guarenteed market of over half a million cars and trucks for the auto industry to satisfy.

 

In 2016, Americans bought 157,000 electric cars, so the private sector demand is growing. Add the power of a huge Government purchase, find a way to get the States to make similar committments to an electric vehicle fleet, and the prices will fall as the quantities rise, leading to even higher demand.

 

The only roadblock are Republicans who insist we continue to invest in 18th Century technology until the Carbon Barons wring every last penny out of their fossile fuel reserves.

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Whenever there is a discussion about emissions and air quality, I always have to interject and show that this issue is primarily an American consumer issue that as usual, Americans offload and make the problem someone else's. Don't blame the auto makers -- they are resonding to the majority of Americans who really don't care about emissions, shown by their consumer habits. They don't do this in Europe.

 

"...Ford's F-Series pickup remained the bestselling vehicle in America in 2016, with 820,799 trucks sold. That's the equivalent of 93 trucks sold every hour...".

 

"...Three years ago, trucks and SUVs represented 50% of the U.S. market. They closed 2016 at 63% of total sales, and analysts don't see that changing anytime soon....".


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Re: electric car mandate

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Re: electric car mandate

 

Europe will ban fossil fuel powered cars by 2040, I don't know if China is leading or following the pack, but they see the writing on the wall. Adapt or become extinct . 

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    One of the best parts of this article:   China is the number ONE car maker.    That implies that they can drive a global decision that major automakers don't want.     The more that China forces the issue and bases it on cleaning up the air pollution is their country, it will push the US  and make Donald look like even the bigger idiot that he has proven to be.     When he opted out of Paris / G20 agreement, that will allow other countries the power to totally ignore all of his subsequent statements that affect anything that will be proposed with the underlying concept of Climate Change,    And that is exactly what China has done.     

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https://electrek.co/2017/07/13/automakers-but-tesla-china-slow-down-electric-car-mandate/

 

 

 

 

The auto industry is once again attempting to slow down the rollout of electric vehicles.

Virtually all automakers, except for Tesla of course, have sent a letter to the Chinese government in an attempt to have them drastically weaken their zero-emission vehicle mandate.

 

As we previously reported, China, the world’s biggest car market, has somewhat of an aggressive ZEV mandate that would force Automakers to have zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) represent 8% of new car sales as soon as 2018 and quickly ramp up to 12% by 2020.

 

 

Stick your head in the sand at your own peril, the world is going solar power and electric cars. Keep up or get left behind.